Why I am considering a 45acp!

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    Why I am considering a 45acp!

    I have a Kahr PM9, Glock 23, so 9mm and .40 S&W are covered, I am aware of the ballistics of both. The 45acp would be for a backpack gun for four legged creatures, some black bear country, some times CC gun. I am thinking of deer hunting with the 45acp out to 40 yards or so.

    I have a son who was involve in a shooting and his duty caliber is .40 S&W, one shot and the criminal was dead. For sure shot placement was the most important part of the shooting.

    My other son is a paramedic and he sees shootings all the time like on a weekly basis. He has told me after 10 years of seeing shootings that the .45acp is the most likely to kill because of the shock to the body.

    He has seen multiple wounds from 9mm and 40 S&W, and the patient walks to the gurney. The victims of .22lr wounds are often not aware they were shot several times, however, can die at the hospital or on the way to hospital, because the bullet bounced around in a vital area.

    I am a believer no matter what caliber you use, you must shoot until the threat stops.

    I am considering a 45acp because it makes a bigger hole, however, I feel I can make many follow-up shots with my 9mm with lower recoil. If I had a 45 acp I would shot until the threat stops.

    I don't believe any caliber is a man-stopper, shot placement is the key.

    So is the 45acp worth it? That is cost of new gun, ammo, holster and accessories. Whats your thoughts?

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    My other son is a paramedic and he sees shootings all the time like on a weekly basis. He has told me after 10 years of seeing shootings that the .45acp is the most likely to kill because of the shock to the body.

    Seems like a good reason to go with 45ACP.
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    That may be a little weak for black bears. I would feel better with a 44 mag.
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    If this is to be primarily a backpack or hunting gun I think you would be better served with a .357 or .44mag since both would offer more ammo selection and greater power.
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    Michsteve:

    Well, there have been NUMEROUS threads here on this forum, with much heated arguments (Uuhm, I mean passionate discussions) regarding this very subject: bullet weight & impact force versus magazine capacity versus rapidity of follow-up shots, costs of ammo, etc, etc, etc.

    Everybody has an opinion and everybody has a preference. In my mind it comes down to persoanl preference. After my Glock .40 was stolen I went back to a 1911 in .45 simply because while I liked my Glock, I was trained in the Army to shoot 1911 in .45 and I just wanted to go back to my roots. Carry and shoot WELL what is comfortable for you..........
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    In bear country with a 45acp what would be the best choice for defense against large bears, FMJ or HP?
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    I'm a firm beliver in hitting them with the biggest stick I can carry, and that's why I bought a .45 CAP. I'll never brag about 1" groups at 25 yards, so if I get only one shot on target, I want it to be a big one.
    As for the big, furry creatures, I wouldn' bet my life on the .45 ACP when other cartridges are available. For combined SD and the walk in the woods, I'd say a 10mm would be more suitable. Keep in mind that a pissed-off bear may not stop for any handgun rounds. You need penetration and to break bones with large, dangerous animals. Heavy jacketed hunting bullets or FMJ.
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    I would go FMJ for penetration.

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    There have been numerous articles refuting the notion of shock to the body from a handgun round. I just read a report the other day that more people have been killed with .22's than any other round.

    A buddy of mine that has been in the emergency response business for over 20 years has seen I don't know how many gunshot wounds (GSW) and he says he nor the forensic guys can tell what caliber made the wound UNLESS they find the bullet. So this guy carries a 9mm.

    Just recently here in Chattanooga, the police shot an armed man around twenty times with .45 before they were satisfied he was incapacitated.

    But, having said all that, I find myself drifting from 9mm to .45ACP. It's not because of inconclusive evidence that it's the best caliber, but because when I look at a 9mm beside a .45ACP, it's a huge difference and to me, psychologically I suppose, I like what I see.
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    I've seen lots of dead black bears.

    Seeing black bears that have been shot with most hunting calibers and shooting longways through one with a 350 grain Maxiball, and watching him run over 100 yards, I would say that if are serious, then forget the .45 ACP. With hollowpoints, they may or may not expand because they'll plug up with hair or fat.

    Go with the most serious semi auto round that you can get.

    That would be the 10MM. The Glock 20 holds 16 I think, and is as concealable as any other Glock.

    I personally think that any handgun that you can conceal will be a bit light duty for a sure kill on a bear, so you might as well go with the best round out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    ...I personally think that any handgun that you can conceal will be a bit light duty for a sure kill on a bear, so you might as well go with the best round out there.
    I second that!

    If bear is the primary critter, perhaps one of the more powerful revolver rounds - I'd think a .44 mag would be a minimum.
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    I'm a huge fan of the .45 ACP round, but it wouldn't be my first choice against ANY potentially dangerous animal. However, if the .45 were my only choice in the matter, I would want a full 5-inch barrel for higher velocity and hopefully some expansion.
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    Interesting. I didn't even know it was legal to hunt deer with a pistol.

    Anyways, I think 45ACP is the best round for self defense, so yeah, I'd say you should have it :)
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    If I were to buy a handgun for bear, it would be the big dog, 500 S&W.
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    I myself feel Well Armed with my Ruger Security Six 4in with 158gn SJSP & a few speed loaders I dont think i'll run into anything down here in FL.
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