Why carry a 1911 over a Glock or XD?
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July 30th, 2010 06:36 PM
Yeah, but ya don't have to own/drive a Porsche for to long to know how it stacks up or handles comparatively to some o the others out there.
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July 30th, 2010 06:37 PM
Gee, thanks a lot JD; now I have to worry about zombie dogs from Mars, besides regular zombies
the 1911 is more easily shot by people with small hands. It's rather difficult for me to adapt to my G23, because of my small hands. I can shoot it, but it takes a little more work. A lot more work than touching off the safety of my 1911.
I prefer the 1911. It fits my small hands better. The weight and single action trigger make it real easy to shoot. The character and history are a plus; a little nostalgia and tradition doesn't hurt.
As short of a reset that the Glock has, I'm still faster with my 1911.
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July 30th, 2010 07:16 PM
I started a thread yesterday about wanting a 1911, and reading this thread just makes me want one even more. I could really kick myself for ever selling the 1911 I had years ago. It bought it used and it wasn't anything fancy, but it just seemed "natural" to shoot. I've never found an autoloader since that I could shoot as well.
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July 30th, 2010 08:05 PM
You know what, I have started and stopped responding to this thread several times because I just can't explain the history of the weapon. When I showed it to my dad after it (1911) had been on lay away a year. I swear it took him back to Vietnam, and when I showed to my Grandfather it took him back to WWII. So, as a veteran who trained on the Beretta, the day I squeezed off a mag .45. I felt like I was transported through time.
My 1911 Milspec has been my CCW since 2001 and the finish is worn a little, but I retired it to house duty and purchased a SR9C. Today I picked up the 1911 and wiped it down. The cold steel just melted into my hands and yes, muscle memory. The design is the iconoclast of the gun world. Period, it has defended this country for more years than many of can care to think about. Has won all the medals that we as a country can give a soldier, sailor, airmen or Marine. It's down right American, regardless, of color, race, or socioeconomic status. Just my 2 cents, somebody pass the tissues.
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July 30th, 2010 08:20 PM
It is all you said... AND it's the best sidearm ever. I have a custom retro piece being built (I've been waiting for about 2 years...), but I've been carrying my 1977 GM around lately, and it's not in any way wanting. I posted this pic in another thread, but what the heck, I'll give the naysayers a good look at some blued steel and ironwood...
Originally Posted by BlueLion
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July 30th, 2010 11:01 PM
3 reasons why I don't carry a 1911. Weight...it does bother me after a long day and gear doesn't fix it. Caliber...I love the .45 but I like to shoot what I carry a lot and .45 doesn't fit that budget. I don't like 9mm 1911s. Last but most important, I shoot my G19 better than any 1911 I've ever owned or shot and I ain't talking about shooting bullseyes.
Obviously, my reasons don't apply to everyone else and if the 1911 fits their needs to a T, then it's a darn good choice. Same can said of any model made. I'll own another 1911...and another...and...but I doubt they will see much time on my hip. That role is well filled.
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July 30th, 2010 11:15 PM
JD your replies are negative. It's odd / funny / sick that the "moderator" has less civil responses than the other forum members, it's like having a bad cop.
Originally Posted by JD
I started a thread to get information / opinions, (that is the purpose of a forum) some replies have been more useful than others.
I do not have friends that shoot. My wife is my friend but doesn't really help.
There are no rental ranges here.
I shoot in my backyard.
I had a Kimber CDP about 3 years ago; I got the shot timer two months ago.
I'm going to "test" my Officers in the morning with the timer, should be interesting. I have not shot the pistol in 10 years or more, so I'll "warm up" with it first. Performance should be indicative of comparable pistols.
The Ehanced Officers could make a nice carry pistol, but it would need night sights. Since they are discontinued I'm reluctant to put much wear (or any modifications) on it; I'm passing it onto my boys in the future.
Thanks to those that have offered legitimate responses.
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July 31st, 2010 12:33 AM
I can't think of any reason you would want to buy a Kimber CDP or comparable, as you obviously like the Glocks better. I could come up with a number of reasons why 1911s are more desirable than another Glock, but it would not make any difference to you, as your mind is made up.
What I can't figure out is why you started this thread. I would not start a thread about why would someone buy and carry a Glock over some other gun, as the Glock's grip is too blocky for my small hands, causing it to shift after every shot and the bumps on the front of the grip don't align with my fingers (although I hear that the new frames have interchangeable back straps - still doesn't fix the front of the grip, though). Did you want people to talk you out of buying another 1911? Or did you want someone to talk you out of buying another Glock? The reasons people carry 1911s have been posted many times, just like the reasons people carry Glocks has been posted many times. Is the search function not working yet?
If you just think that Glocks are superior in every way to 1911s, then make that part of your signature. Or just be silently smug.
July 31st, 2010 12:58 AM
We're allowed to slip our collars every now and then, our billets here do not prohibit us from speaking our minds provided we stay within the confines of the forum rules. Bad cop? Oh I wish Bumper would let me be the evil moderator once a month, oh the headaches we could avoid...
Originally Posted by CDW4ME
You're no noob (or at least you don't seem like one), you have a 1911 in your possession to compare to the other models and what I said needed to be said. Not all directed at you, but in general.
I DO agree that altering your Officers model is just wrong. And that running your Colt on the timer is a step in the right direction to learning what you want to learn.
July 31st, 2010 01:10 AM
I think jonconsiglio has said all there needs to be said about this subject. I agree and ask the bashers how long have you own, shot, trained with a 1911. What kind or quality was it as well. I have access to my girls G23 which she uses and I occasionally and have to admit it's an awesome weapon system. If I had a choice between my 1911 pistols which run reliably and the G23 in a gun fight where there's well armed individual(s) I'm going to have to pick one of my 1911's even though the G23 will get the job done. Not likely but if I have to take a shot 25 yards or farther it no contest. I carry both the pistols in my avatar in and MTAC with ease and they both conceal extremely well and carry very comfortably.
Originally Posted by jonconsiglio
July 31st, 2010 01:17 AM
Come on guys, after thinking about this and reading all this several times, I think we are being a little hard. The guy just started a thread, asked a question, that IS what this is all about here at DC. Not everybody is lucky enough to have people around them to supply a wealth of knowledge, that is why we come here. We need to stick together not fight amongst ourselves. If somebody does not like what another member posts, don't read it, move on to the next one. Maybe we need to add a couple more sub-forums, that way the people that get tired of hearing about one gun or another can stay clear and those of us that love them can talk all we want. This is not the only thread that has ever been posted on DC that maybe some thought did not make sense, or wondered why it was posted to start with. Not everybody has 20,000 posts, endless gun ranges, guns and years of carry experiance. Some on here will respond to anything, just to increase post count and some post what they think is a resonable question or answer, maybe not to all but it is to the OP or poster. I don't think we should behead or stone each other over a post or a thread. I say lock this thread out MODS and let's move on. JMHO......
July 31st, 2010 03:10 AM
Originally Posted by TJK68
I never understood why people in a forum get so upset when (God forbid) someone brings up an issue that's already been discussed or maybe they don't agree with... After all by definition, a forum is supposed to be a medium for open discussion and expression of ideas.
If you don't want to talk about something, you don't have to open the thread and put your two cents in... Seems pretty simple to me.
And that's my two cents! :-)
July 31st, 2010 03:24 AM
^^^^What he said^^^^
Originally Posted by Seventy9TA
As far as the question, I can see the ups AND downs of owning and operating a 1911. Personal preference at the end of the day. Heck, I carry a 7+1 shot 9mm in my front pocket some days. There are some out there who would call me ill prepared because my gun isnt holding 10 or better. To each his own or YMMV(however you want to say it).
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July 31st, 2010 03:53 AM
I carried a G19 for a while myself so I know where you're coming from. I never did shoot my 1911 as quickly with followup shots. With time though the 1911 grew on me and I found ways to adjust my grip, stance, and trigger control so that now I shoot my 1911 better than anything. Some people are used to one system and would rather use what works than change for the sake of shooting a different gun well. That's fine because a Glock, XD, M&P, Sig, or any other manufacturer of good standard is going to get the job done in the hands of someone familiar with it. I do think every collection should include a 1911, but I also understand that some people are very practical. They might only own a couple guns. Maybe one to carry and one for the home. To someone like this, a gun they are only going to own for the collection and for range use might not be a good use of funds. I do also understand very well that some 1911s can be pricey. That's a big turn off for a lot of people. I think more so than the relatively low round count by today's standards, the weight, and the maintenance schedule. To many, and I can understand it, a gun that is $500 such as a Glock or similar will do just as well as a $2k 1911. There's those of us who would and do buy $2k+ guns because we understand the quality of them beyond just hurling bullets down the range. There's those of us who just don't see it and refuse to spend that much. There's those of us who have heard many stories of one brand or another 1911 being unreliable and having to get it worked on and break-in time etc. Someone who hasn't owned a 1911 but reads these stories might be turned off by them and thus wouldn't purchase a 1911 based on those posts. We all know that you get more negative reports of any manufacturer than good but there are likely 5 happy owners for every 1 unhappy. Yet someone might take the posts as an indication of poor design, old design, poor quality across the board, whatever. Without trying one personally from a good manufacturer with good magazines, they wouldn't know if they are true and may simply take the negative comments at face value. We should strive to understand all sides I guess.
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July 31st, 2010 06:08 AM
Hey....never said I couldn't shoot a 1911 well.
Originally Posted by cmdrdredd
I know what your saying but I've owned a number of 1911s and do have a fair amount of experience with them. They are first rate when it comes to trigger, accuracy & ergos. There are only a couple of things that keep them from being my first choice. Those that I listed.
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