This is a discussion on Why carry a 1911 over a Glock or XD? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by JD .......sure we have many fans of the 1911 platform but no one's saying the 1911 is the one and only. Even ...
On ANOTHER NOTE, when I show several handguns to a potential Customer, I TRY to tell them all the ins and outs of each product, I'm NO expert, but I've been CCing about 35 yrs now, carried a LOT of handguns in my time (maybe TOO many, and YES I've re-bought many models over again, just because I couldn't decide) The ONE thing I DO tell my Customers, is "buy the handgun that FITS your hands MOST comfortably" Train with it as much as possible, BUT make sure it feels comfortable in your hands, whether it's a Glock, H&K, Taurus, Ruger, 1911 type, etc. Decisions to purchase must be made on the a personal need basis. Just my .02 worth
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With your long experience carrying and shooting firearms why would a Glock need to be carried with an empty chamber? Isn't that lack of dicipline and training that causes that reaction to the Glock's lack of an external safety lever? I purchased a Glock as my first handgun and I never carried it empty. I'm just unsure exactly what you're getting at. Maybe I missed your meaning.
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I just switched my everyday carry from an ultra carry ii to a glock 19. Double the capacity, same size.
I guess I've converted... Even though i still LOVE my 1911.
Yea, I had a signature that was: Glock > XD > 1911 > DA/SA. I did not have a signature for over a year since joining the forum, finally thought of one a few days ago. How is that silently smug?
You can see the signature has been changed.
Obviously I was biased toward the Glock & XD. I had not shot a 1911 pistol in over 10 years. I traded away the CDP because I thought Glocks were better. I did not have a timer at that time. I had decided cocked & locked was not the "best" system. I kept the Officers as a collectors gun, as well as a Lightweight Enhanced Commander; one for each of my kids. I had not shot either of them in over 10 years because I never carry them.
I keep seeing people who perfer the 1911 and I figure it's because they either like the grip, apperciate it's historic appeal, want a 45, or just think it's better because of materials / design.
I'm not one to select a carry pistol for "historic value" or solely on looks. I want lightweight, maxium 5'' height, and the ability to deliver fast accurate folow up shots.
I did assume the 1911 Colt Officers would take a backseat to the Glock for no other reason than the 45 acp kicks harder than a 9mm. I like a big bullet, but I also like accurate, quick follow up shots.
I also thought I would "pop off" a 2nd shot unintentionally with the 1911 trigger since I'm accustomed to Glocks.
Prior to this thread, I had no intention of packing anything other than a Glock or XD and simply wondered why others chose the 1911 given the typical reduction in capacity and perceived recoil.
As promised, I took the Officers, as well as the Commander, out for my little test with the timer, and 6'' circle placed 18 feet away. (I did field strip and lubricate prior to shooting)
I used Federal 230 gr. FMJ and Federal 185 JHP. The 230 gr. ammunition was better regulated with the sights.
To my utter surprise the Commander averaged .32 for "qualifying" hits even though it's trigger is HEAVY for a 1911.
The Officers matched the time with an identical .32 average for 10 qualifying pairs (The pair of shots qualify if both hit the 6'' circle at 18 feet). I did have more "disqualifications" with the Officers and the Commander seemed easier to keep on target despite the identical time.
My concern of accidently popping off a 2nd round inadverently was unfounded, never happened.
The Lightweight Commanders performance was impressive considering the 45 chambering. It was VERY close to the average time of .29 for my Glock 19 and the accuracy + "disqualifications" was a match.
I think the Commander was more accurate / seemed easier to keep on target due to the longer slide and increased sight radius.
I think the Kimber CDP with it's 4'' barrel would (should) perform as well as the Commander.
After shooting I cleaned up the pistols and put then back into the safe.
I'm seriously considering getting another CDP. I can't believe it, never would have thought it.
I'm not the only one on this thread that didn't know as much as I thought I did.
No internal lock or magazine disconnect on my pistols!
Good... Personally, I'd stick with true 4.25 Commanders and not the 4" bull barrels. I've owned a number of each and I feel more comfortable with the Commanders.
It's good to see you shooting 45 times on par with the 9mm. For me, even if there is a little more felt recoil, it really doesn't affect anything when it comes down to times.
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JD - actually, plenty of people DO say (in so many words) that it's the only "real" gun out there. It's relatively rare on this forum, but it still happens. How many "I'll carry any caliber as long as it starts with 4" or "because the don't make a .46" or - in this very thread - "for those who know what they're doing" posts do you see? I see quite a few, myself...
In all honesty, the arrogance and condescension of SOME 1911 owners have turned me off of the platform FAR MORE than whatever inherent limitations the platform may have.
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
Yup I'm a 1911 guy and a lot more too. Tonight, I bought another Colt US property marked USGI 1911 made 1918 for about 550.00 it's all there but need to change the trigger and mainspring housing back to GI parts (no big deal)
But Noooooo I'm not biased LOL
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The 1911 and Me - An Apostate of the Cult of JMB Bares All) and make their own decisions based on actual results...like comparing split times etc to whatever other gun they have and leave all the internet hoopla to those that have to rely on it to make their points.
The whole "for those that know what they're doing" is 50/50. Sure some units still use 1911s but it's mainly Sig, Glock, and HK and of course, Beretta are doing the heavy lifting as far as duty pistols go. As I've said myself, if I could choose my combat sidearm where I was limited to FMJ it would be the Glock 21SF. While the Marines, FBI HRT, LAPD SWAT & SIS, and a couple other entities here and there use the 1911 that doesn't make it all that a bag of chips. Also, regarding "posters" etc, nothing against the guy but I'd have trouble taking advice from a guy using 007bondjames as a screen name.
Some find it easier to cc a 1911 then a semi-compact glock. Comes down to how you like it to ride, like boxers or briefs, well guess there is always the 3rd option.
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You know............the 1911 still has a place in my heart that nothing else will ever fill. I've had a couple since the Marine Corps days and what I basically grew up on and was trained with. I personally think it's a sin that our troops are issued anything less these days. No matter what I have at my disposal now, I always have that yearn for the same solid steel feel I once had with the 1911 pistol. A lot of things have changed since those times in my life, but I can still see the reasons why anyone would prefer a GI issue 1911 pistol over all else. One of these days....I'll be back home with one of my own.Why carry a 1911 over a Glock or XD?
For me it's ergonomics (albeit subjective), a preference for a safety, the light and consistent SA trigger and my belief that statistics show that 8 rounds will likely be enough (15 if you count the reload). I carry officer sized 1911s 90% of the time and only change when I need something even more concealable (i.e. my Kahr PM9). All that aside, I have carried polymer guns (4" XD, PPS, PF9 and lately a subcompact Sig P250) and agree that each has it's merits. Bottom line is one should carry what is reliable and comforting (vice comfortable) to them.