Why carry a 1911 over a Glock or XD?
This is a discussion on Why carry a 1911 over a Glock or XD? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by JD
.......sure we have many fans of the 1911 platform but no one's saying the 1911 is the one and only. Even ...
July 31st, 2010 09:52 AM
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July 31st, 2010 10:00 AM
Glocks are a bit different in looks, but I've never seen a 1911 go KABOOM like the Glocks have, but either way, I DO carry both guns, (and a LOT OF OTHER TYPES too) but the 1911 fits better in my hands than the Glock. I also like the ability to carry the 1911 in condition one (cocked and locked) than an empty chamber on the Glock, as it's striker fired., but we can go round and round about that option all day long, as it's a personal preferance.
Originally Posted by 007BondJames
On ANOTHER NOTE, when I show several handguns to a potential Customer, I TRY to tell them all the ins and outs of each product, I'm NO expert, but I've been CCing about 35 yrs now, carried a LOT of handguns in my time (maybe TOO many, and YES I've re-bought many models over again, just because I couldn't decide) The ONE thing I DO tell my Customers, is "buy the handgun that FITS your hands MOST comfortably" Train with it as much as possible, BUT make sure it feels comfortable in your hands, whether it's a Glock, H&K, Taurus, Ruger, 1911 type, etc. Decisions to purchase must be made on the a personal need basis. Just my .02 worth
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July 31st, 2010 01:41 PM
Nah I didn't mean that. For me though I shot the 9mm G19 very well and thought "Man this 1911 has a nice trigger but I can't get followup shots worth a crap and it feels heavy on my arms." Then I adjusted a few things and watched a few instructional videos and tried to work on different things to see if it helped. Some things did help and with time I got more familiar with the 1911 and finally shot it better than my G19. Likely due to the time I put into it vs my G19 though. So it sort of grew on me. I gave the G19 to my father and purchased a G23 which I carry occationally on days that my 1911 would be a bit much to hide.
Originally Posted by kpw
Now I don't mean to call you out or anything so please don't take it that way but I have to clear this up here...
Originally Posted by CLASS3NH
With your long experience carrying and shooting firearms why would a Glock need to be carried with an empty chamber? Isn't that lack of dicipline and training that causes that reaction to the Glock's lack of an external safety lever? I purchased a Glock as my first handgun and I never carried it empty. I'm just unsure exactly what you're getting at. Maybe I missed your meaning.
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July 31st, 2010 02:03 PM
I just switched my everyday carry from an ultra carry ii to a glock 19. Double the capacity, same size.
I guess I've converted... Even though i still LOVE my 1911.
July 31st, 2010 02:11 PM
Is the search funuction working? I asked a specific question which may or may not have been addressed in prior threads. As we can see, threads easily veer off course. Ne people join the forum. Not everyone who is a member replies to a thread for whatever reason. Most questions have likely been addressed before. How boring if everone just searched the old resonnses and see if something applied. There is a back arrow as well as a search feature.
Originally Posted by AutoFan
Yea, I had a signature that was: Glock > XD > 1911 > DA/SA. I did not have a signature for over a year since joining the forum, finally thought of one a few days ago. How is that silently smug?
You can see the signature has been changed.
Thanks for your comments. I'm glad the thread wasn't locked or I couldn't have given a current reply.
Originally Posted by TJK68
Obviously I was biased toward the Glock & XD. I had not shot a 1911 pistol in over 10 years. I traded away the CDP because I thought Glocks were better. I did not have a timer at that time. I had decided cocked & locked was not the "best" system. I kept the Officers as a collectors gun, as well as a Lightweight Enhanced Commander; one for each of my kids. I had not shot either of them in over 10 years because I never carry them.
I keep seeing people who perfer the 1911 and I figure it's because they either like the grip, apperciate it's historic appeal, want a 45, or just think it's better because of materials / design.
I'm not one to select a carry pistol for "historic value" or solely on looks. I want lightweight, maxium 5'' height, and the ability to deliver fast accurate folow up shots.
I did assume the 1911 Colt Officers would take a backseat to the Glock for no other reason than the 45 acp kicks harder than a 9mm. I like a big bullet, but I also like accurate, quick follow up shots.
I also thought I would "pop off" a 2nd shot unintentionally with the 1911 trigger since I'm accustomed to Glocks.
Prior to this thread, I had no intention of packing anything other than a Glock or XD and simply wondered why others chose the 1911 given the typical reduction in capacity and perceived recoil.
As promised, I took the Officers, as well as the Commander, out for my little test with the timer, and 6'' circle placed 18 feet away. (I did field strip and lubricate prior to shooting)
I used Federal 230 gr. FMJ and Federal 185 JHP. The 230 gr. ammunition was better regulated with the sights.
To my utter surprise the Commander averaged .32 for "qualifying" hits even though it's trigger is HEAVY for a 1911.
The Officers matched the time with an identical .32 average for 10 qualifying pairs (The pair of shots qualify if both hit the 6'' circle at 18 feet). I did have more "disqualifications" with the Officers and the Commander seemed easier to keep on target despite the identical time.
My concern of accidently popping off a 2nd round inadverently was unfounded, never happened.
The Lightweight Commanders performance was impressive considering the 45 chambering. It was VERY close to the average time of .29 for my Glock 19 and the accuracy + "disqualifications" was a match.
I think the Commander was more accurate / seemed easier to keep on target due to the longer slide and increased sight radius.
I think the Kimber CDP with it's 4'' barrel would (should) perform as well as the Commander.
After shooting I cleaned up the pistols and put then back into the safe.
I'm seriously considering getting another CDP. I can't believe it, never would have thought it.
I'm not the only one on this thread that didn't know as much as I thought I did.
9mm +P minimum. 40, 10mm or 45 preferred.
July 31st, 2010 03:05 PM
Good... Personally, I'd stick with true 4.25 Commanders and not the 4" bull barrels. I've owned a number of each and I feel more comfortable with the Commanders.
It's good to see you shooting 45 times on par with the 9mm. For me, even if there is a little more felt recoil, it really doesn't affect anything when it comes down to times.
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July 31st, 2010 10:40 PM
JD - actually, plenty of people DO say (in so many words) that it's the only "real" gun out there. It's relatively rare on this forum, but it still happens. How many "I'll carry any caliber as long as it starts with 4" or "because the don't make a .46" or - in this very thread - "for those who know what they're doing" posts do you see? I see quite a few, myself...
In all honesty, the arrogance and condescension of SOME 1911 owners have turned me off of the platform FAR MORE than whatever inherent limitations the platform may have.
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July 31st, 2010 11:07 PM
I know you're not calling me out on my statement about one in the pipe, Two words here ......Personal Preference.. I STILL carry a 23, 26, 27, and a 29 I've known Boston PD guys, who were "trained and diciplined" enough to take off their right cheek when drawing their G19 or G17. Why? because they had their finger in the trigger guard while drawing their weapon (they once carried S&W model 10s and were accustomed to having their fingers in the trigger guard) But then again, that's now in a different universe. Myself, I am diciplined enough to draw my weapon, and chamber a round into it without hesitation. it's all about training and disipline now itsn't it? It's also knowing the strong and weak points of the weapon you're carrying. I carry a round in the chamber for my H&Ks, Berettas< 1911s, Sigs, etc. I just have an avoidence for one in the pipe with a striker fired gun, (the glock) with the exeption of the SA XD guns which have the grip safety as a secondery safety.
Originally Posted by cmdrdredd
Yup I'm a 1911 guy and a lot more too. Tonight, I bought another Colt US property marked USGI 1911 made 1918 for about 550.00 it's all there but need to change the trigger and mainspring housing back to GI parts (no big deal)
But Noooooo I'm not biased LOL
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July 31st, 2010 11:11 PM
True, but it's either supposed to be funny or it's just posturing, fanboys of every brand do it. The 1911 has just had more time build a larger base. Either way I tend to just laugh at it and move on. Like I said before, I'd rather someone try it (like you did here: The 1911 and Me - An Apostate of the Cult of JMB Bares All) and make their own decisions based on actual results...like comparing split times etc to whatever other gun they have and leave all the internet hoopla to those that have to rely on it to make their points.
Originally Posted by OPFOR
The whole "for those that know what they're doing" is 50/50. Sure some units still use 1911s but it's mainly Sig, Glock, and HK and of course, Beretta are doing the heavy lifting as far as duty pistols go. As I've said myself, if I could choose my combat sidearm where I was limited to FMJ it would be the Glock 21SF. While the Marines, FBI HRT, LAPD SWAT & SIS, and a couple other entities here and there use the 1911 that doesn't make it all that a bag of chips. Also, regarding "posters" etc, nothing against the guy but I'd have trouble taking advice from a guy using 007bondjames as a screen name.
July 31st, 2010 11:16 PM
Some find it easier to cc a 1911 then a semi-compact glock. Comes down to how you like it to ride, like boxers or briefs, well guess there is always the 3rd option.
July 31st, 2010 11:20 PM
You know............the 1911 still has a place in my heart that nothing else will ever fill. I've had a couple since the Marine Corps days and what I basically grew up on and was trained with. I personally think it's a sin that our troops are issued anything less these days. No matter what I have at my disposal now, I always have that yearn for the same solid steel feel I once had with the 1911 pistol. A lot of things have changed since those times in my life, but I can still see the reasons why anyone would prefer a GI issue 1911 pistol over all else. One of these days....I'll be back home with one of my own.
Why carry a 1911 over a Glock or XD?
July 31st, 2010 11:37 PM
Nope, 4...I like boxer-briefs myself!
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July 31st, 2010 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rollo
I think of myself of a OK shooter. My 1911 makes me a great shooter. Don't even need any sights to put the bullets on target.
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August 1st, 2010 12:06 AM
For me it's ergonomics (albeit subjective), a preference for a safety, the light and consistent SA trigger and my belief that statistics show that 8 rounds will likely be enough (15 if you count the reload). I carry officer sized 1911s 90% of the time and only change when I need something even more concealable (i.e. my Kahr PM9). All that aside, I have carried polymer guns (4" XD, PPS, PF9 and lately a subcompact Sig P250) and agree that each has it's merits. Bottom line is one should carry what is reliable and comforting (vice comfortable) to them.
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