I much prefer NOT to remove the safety
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I much prefer NOT to remove the safety
Be Alert and Stay Safe
i carry a glock on and off duty for over 20 years plus... the only way a glock will go off is to put your trigger finger on the trigger and then pull it. i carry with and without a holster. the only a.d.'s i have seen were agents that put their finger on the trigger and then pulled it.
Two newer pistols that are 9mm and offer external safties are the Bersa Thunder 9, sa/da with decocker. Or the new for 2006 Wilson Combat ADP???
Bersa makes a fine gun for money, I bought one of thier .380s that I like better than the ppk, due to the slide stop and better DA trigger pull. The Wilson will set you back a little more but who cares...It's a Wilson
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Wilson. I think I found my new gun. Will do a little research on it, but it looks like it'll do just fine.
interesting design on that ADP! someone get one and give us a report!
You've got some real good responses. The only thing I would add is to make sure the safety on the gun you purchase operates in the same manner as the safeties on the guns you already own. Pushing up should do exactly the same thing on all three guns and pushing down should do exactly the same thing on all three guns.Originally Posted by Geo2020
IMO, if the operating system of the weapon (manual of arms) is the same, you won't get confused in a panic situation.
If you want something 9mm or larger, that won't break the bank, is tough and durable, have you thought about a Makarov?
The usual caliber is 9x18mm (actually more like 9.2x18mm). It is small, though a bit heavier than most pistols it's size as it is made from all steel. The safety is also a decocker, but it moves in a more natural mode of up for safe, and down to fire, unlike most slide mounted safety/decockers.
And you can usually find them for well under $300.00, if not under $200.00. Of course, most of them are used.
Your best choices would be East German Maks, I'm told. But the Bulgarians are also well thought of, if not quite as well finished.
Otherwise, I'd go for a Taurus.
My pimp gun.
9x19mm, 15+1 shots. Can be carried with the hammer down, and locked, or cocked and locked, my preferred method.
Well if you get the ADP let us all know how it works. I'm thinking of possibly getting one for my wife, Currently she has a Kimber Ultra Stainless in .40 but she has trouble getting the slide back after the second or third immediate action drill, I keep trying to get her to go for the Glock 26 or a Smith "J" frame but she hates the looks and lack of a safey on both, thank God she likes the Bersa .380
I think it would be called a 'manual safety with de-cocker'. You are quite right on the 1911 safety, it only works once the pistol is cocked. However the 1911 aslo has a grip safety, so even if the thumb safety is off you have to squeeze the grip to make the trigger move.Originally Posted by Geo2020
I agree 100%.
I didnt buy the H&K P2000 because of the lack of manual safety. I like glocks for a throw around gun and perhaps to leave in my house, but I will not carry one without a manual safety.
My H&K USP C is perfect. I love the safety and the decocker.
Go with a SIG...nice DA pull...safety is keeping your finger off the trigger--plus three internal safeties.
I carried an M9 (Beretta 92F) while deployed--hated it--among other things: the manual safety. I wish I had my SIG.
SIG is your friend.
I seems that you like classic defensive sidearms (I am assuming this from what you carry). No one else has even suggested the original high capacity 9x19mm. She is a beauty, and when skill mastered she is on dangerous mistress. She has a frame mounted safety, and a magazine disconnect. However, she will place every bullet with deadly accuracy if you let her. She carries 13 9x19mm in a very sexy manner, and when given the proper tender loving care she will out perform any other handgun on the market. If price is not an issue, and quality is prime concern then you should check out a Cylinder & Slide Pathfinder Browning Hi-Power, or a traditional Hi-power. I ahve carried on for several years, and she is not all that heavy to carry.
PS- Have you checked out a CZ P01, 85, 75, etc? Or have you looked at EAA Polymer witness autos?
I'll be your Huckleberry!! I have two guns! One for each of you!
I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six!
Actually, you don't have to squeeze it. You just have to have the proper grip on the pistol. So far as I know, only the HK P7M types require you actually squeeze the grip. AND, on the standard 1911 model, if the hammer is down, squeezing the trigger does nothing....unfortunately.Originally Posted by arcticelf