This is a discussion on Kahr PM9 Ammo Feed Issue within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Philo Betto Either you're misusing the term "loaded gun" or I don't understand the term. To me, loaded means there are rounds ...
Well said.The biggest component of effective self-defense is mindset....and anyone who carries a weapon in a state of non-readiness ain't got it.
I had a discussion with someone about carrying with an empty chamber. It wasn't until some events happened that he realized that what I had been saying was right, "In a real SHTF scenario you most likely won't have time to chamber a round, and most probably will not have the extra hand needed to chamber a round."
Ahem...has Kahr fixed the gun yet?
I'm going to reply, then I'm going to make you the first member on my Ignore list. I prefer to discuss various gun issues with adults.Yeah, we've all seen the DEA agent who was the "only one professional enough." He's just as big a dunce as someone who carries without a round in the chamber.
Wrong. Perdiod. See how easy it is to disguise opinion as fact?People who ARE trained, and ARE skilled carry with one in the chamber. Period.
LOL What're you, 15?That is the way that safe, modern firearms are meant to be carried. If you don't trust yourself enough to keep your booger hook off of the bang switch until you need it, I suggest you take up a tamer pursuit than providing for your own defense. Maybe golf? Perhaps the state should ask you why they should issue a CHL to someone who doesn't even trust himself to safely handle a firearm. THAT seems like common sense to me.
I'll be darned, those 8 years of teaching Ni Gojuryu to 100s of students and LEOs didn't learn me a durn thang. I'm so fortunate that someone from Indiana came along to set me straight.The biggest component of effective self-defense is mindset....and anyone who carries a weapon in a state of non-readiness ain't got it.
Now, run along; you're beginning to bug me.
But that does bring up a good point. The issues I had with my PM9 weighed heavily on my decision that I could not trust it enough to keep a round in the chamber. My Sig is fairly "bulletproof" and I'll seriously consider that option with my Sig.
In the end, I suppose it's a matter of priorities, at least with me. I would rather place myself at a very slight increased risk of not having a round in the chamber, than to very slightly increase the risk that I'd hurt someone because of an accidental discharge.
I do find it an interesting study in the psychology of people that have such confidence in themselves that they think they're immune to making a mistake.
And to take the debate in another direction, is carrying a .32 pistol with a round chambered safer than carrying a .45 with no round chambered? With which would you feel the most prepared?
Last edited by Philo Betto; August 15th, 2010 at 06:07 PM.
I'm not going to get into the loaded chamber or not debate!
As far as the PM9 goes, I can certainly sympathize with you. I went back to the Kahr well three times, and got burned each and every time. Talk about feeling like a jilted lover!
I'm no longer interested in anything they're selling.
Good luck to you - and for Lord's sake, fly safely!
Darwin at work.
I guess the thousands of armed professionals who carry with one in the chamber every day are doing it wrong.
15 years old indeed.
Slow is smooth.....smooth is fast.
Anyone who isn't comfortable carrying a defensive weapon with one in the chamber needs to either A) Figure out what makes them uncomfortable about it and then work on getting past it
B) Do what a lot of the ol' cowboys did and carry a revolver with the hammer over an empty chamber
When Guns Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws will have guns
Just remember, When seconds count help is mere minutes away
Also remember, When you go to trial by jury you are putting yourself into the hands of 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty.
This has been a somewhat confusing thread. The only actual question I saw in the original post was "I guess that begs the question: Do you feel safe carrying with a round chambered?". Now, after 4 pages of of mainly responses to the original "question", responses are no longer acceptable. If the original intent was to discuss, or vent about issues with the handgun, why ask the question if the answers aren't wanted?
The knocks didn't go very far because those who said it's foolish to not keep a round in the chamber, were offset by experienced gun owners who said it's a valid position. When highly experienced, well-known gun experts say there are good reasons to not keep a round chambered in some situations, it pretty much nullifies the opinion of those who say you might as well not have a gun at all if you don't keep a round chambered. Really though, the latter was an illogical comment and didn't need any experts to refute it.
my kahr PM9 will not accept american eagle 115g ball ammo. It will not feed. don't tell me to read the instructions, or slide lock the rack, both of which are ridiculous suggestions. It's a total cop-out by Kahr to tell you that you have to feed the ammo that way. The ammo itself jams in the seat of the breach. I've never had this with ANY of the hundreds of guns i've handled or owned. The question is about the ammo, isn't it? Has anyone else had this problem? Oh, i know, maybe i should go out and buy an aftermarket magazine. Spear gold dot +p? no problem. I have pictures of the american eagle round where you can clearly see where the seat scars a ring around the ball. so, i must not be doing it right.
resurrected from the dead, thread.
I'll give ya $100 for it, shipped.
115G 9MM is an issue for many guns,try switching to 124....
Was considering purchasing a Kahr recently and am now happy that I didn't. Chamber empty or full makes no difference. However, if the weapon fails to feed on the first, second or 1000th round, it is not for me. Like others have stated, I want the round to feed and the weapon in battery and ready to fire when I want/need it to. FTF is more dangerous IMHO. Thanks for the interesting debate.
I have a PM9 and love it. I'm lucky, mine eats everything I feed (both FMJ and HP) it and has not had a misfeed since it was under 100 rounds (now well over 1,500). Yet, I personally know people who have had issues with them and way more people on forums have had issues with them than should be the case for any pistol marketed for self defense. While I have no plans to get rid of mine, if I had to do it again I would consider something else. There are any number of good, small single stack 9mm autos out there now that did not exist when I bought my PM 9 three years ago.