If they rate it an F what do they rate firearms that DON'T work?
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If they rate it an F what do they rate firearms that DON'T work?
If KT charged $600 for it they'd probably get a better review. Hopefully the bad reviews will drive the price down more, I want another one!
Carry on my friend~~
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There's a reason I don't but gun magazines. Its all opinion and editorial and have denounce perfectly fine products while praising the virtues of garbage. They're basically full of gun snobbery. I'm sorry but I just remember all the horrible articles about Hydrostatic shock that ran around the publications that made certain ammunition seem like Jesus bullets. Maybe I'm a bit jaded.
I got a P11,12 +1 in a small package,I'm not gonna be shooting bullseyes at 25 yards,but at SD ranges,10 yds or less It will put them where I need em.You want honest reviews I would trust ordinairy people who carry and shoot them daily,not a gun that gets shipped and they do a one day review
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i have never had any problems with any of my kel tec guns. they are not range guns they are carry guns.
An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
Red State State of Mind
Have put appx. 300 rounds thru my pf-9. Recoil is hard, but you would expect that from a 13 oz 9mm. At 20yds all shots in probable body mass. It is a concealable defensive weapon. When needed it will be within 10', accuracy no problem. The heavy trigger is a safety measure. Give it 3/4 pull aim and fire ..no problem. Don't listen to reviews judge it yourself. Great weapon for the price........
Imagine what we'd all be carrying if we did listen to these reviews...
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I don't own a PF9, so I am neutral. testing these & complaining about recoil, accuracy at a certain distance , is not the intended purpose of the little firearm. tests & statistics can be found to suit anyone for any purpose. If I can carry it well concealed, it will function well, & I can hit a torso at 10 ft.,,, I'll take one.
I love statistics and survey and data crunching, however to cover every thing well it is beyond tedious and would send many of us to the loony bin ! There are alot of variables when it comes to testing certain firearms and how you compare them to others... There summary in the most recent addition does not state why they failed the pistol and I disagree with them sometimes and here was one, I went out a bought a PF9. I have since sold it but not b/c I had any issues (I just wanted a J frame which was more versatile for me to carry in different positions) in fact a friend of mine has it and it is running fine for him too!
Here is the quote from that issue November 2007: "What we couldn’t tolerate was the trigger function. The trigger was the longest and heaviest of those tested, but we could have gotten used to it, if it were not for what we consider to be a design flaw. We believe in properly resetting the trigger after each shot to increase accuracy. After we fire a pistol we hold the trigger to the rear of the trigger guard and then release it forward until a click is heard, and then we apply steady pressure for the next shot. If you try that with this pistol, you will only hear a click instead of a bang.
According to the Kel-Tec manual on page 12 under the subhead "Malfunctioning," a misfire is most likely the result of faulty ammunition. Then, the manual continues, "Another potential cause is that the trigger was not allowed to fully reset after firing. The hammer is then dropped from the hammer block, which will not fire the cartridge.""
So they were staging the trigger for accuracy when they got their malfunctions... whether or not this was remedied by KT after 2007 their test pistol serial #R1541. I do not know but evidentally not many people listen/feel that first click when releasing the trigger, but I do not shoot the Sig DAK and am definitely not a huge authority on these things but I release my trigger all the way on all my pistols, I did not see why this was a problem for them and even though they allowed others at the range to shoot the KT they warned them of the trigger... is that posioning the sample, research and data is quite difficult to control... it is also possible they recv'd a lemon, it does after all happen, even to the "higher end companies".
I don't think they are intentionally biased, testing, recording and reporting make you the target because it is now in print, they are not my only source but they are one I use, if you only learn from one person you only know what they know and who they learned from... right? They often re-test some guns later, as the market changes so maybe they will or they won't, you could write or email them and see...
I think it is clear the PF 9 has a good reputation for what it is and it goes to show everyone of us has our preferences and should thoroughly test our equipment!
I have no trouble with mine. As long as it takes out the bad guy or makes him run away, I'm okay.
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I agree, they should take price and weight into account when judging characteristics like trigger pull and felt recoil. However, I'm done with Kel-Tec pistols after my ejector broke in about the first year and seeing a cracked PF9 frame after just a few months use.
Of course it has recoil. You buy this gun for the small package easily concealed high firepower, not as a 50 yard tournament gun. Get real: its a close range self defense weapon. Self defense, statistically is 2.3 shouts at 21'. I can do that with a beretta 950 in .25 auto. IF I had to use a gun in self defense, I'd rather have the PF9.
Yes, recoil does effect the second shot, however, with teh 9 MM you may not need a second shot.
A gun that size and power is going to be right on the edge for a lot of people.
Online reviews of the PF9 will often say something like "recoil was brutal".
I just bought one, an impulse purchase. I've run most of a box of Remington FMJ through it. I did not find it at all painful or difficult to shoot. About par shooting .38 +P through my Taurus 605. The PF9 fills pretty much the same niche.
BTW, I don't think the trigger sucks.
I think reliability should be a major factor in ratings; and I agree that the "printed word' in gun rags is mostly for entertainment purposes. I find more good scoop from others in these forums than in gun rags.