This is a discussion on Need some ideas from 1911 guys on a non-1911 within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; If you are looking for something NOT a 1911 but want something that feels somewhat similar, the M&P fits that quite well. I have 6 ...
If you are looking for something NOT a 1911 but want something that feels somewhat similar, the M&P fits that quite well. I have 6 1911's and love them, but I'm expanding my horizons lately and have bought a few Sigs, HKs, a Glock 17, M&P9, etc., etc. Almost two weeks ago, I bought the Glock and M&P. I've owned a few before but sold them all off a few years ago. I actually LOVE the Glock 17 Gen 4 and have been carrying it almost daily. Trigger work, extra mags, +2's, Ghost Connector and it feels pretty good.
The M&P doesn't have a very good reset, but with the Apex DCAEK kit and some polishing, it's MUCH better. I love this gun. I have 2 mags coming from the rebate and picked up 4 more at the gun show today. There's a lot of sight options & basepad options to get it set up like you want. Nothing is a 1911, but this gun is very nice. I've tried to force myself to like the Sigs or HKs more that the 17 or M&P, but I just can't do it. It sounds stupid, but I guess I need to justify the higher cost so I try to convince myself they're that much better. It's not always the case.
My M&P has a thumb safety. I took it off and got the plugs from S&W. They aren't in the photo below though. I took a dremel to the safety and it feels much better when you ride it now since it's now sloped and has no sharp edges, so I put it back on today and might keep it on. The manual of arms is very similar in the sense that you load it, flip the safety on and put it in your holster. When needed, draw, swipe the safety and fire. The trigger is the same from start to finish unlike the Sigs - which doesn't bother me, but some don't care for it.
I've rambled enough. Try the M&P and see what you think, it's a great gun and the 45 is hardly any larger, if noticeable at all, than the standard frames. Good luck and enjoy the search, it's one of the best part of gun ownership in my opinion!
** I know you said polymer, but if you want another 1911 with a smaller grip, take a good look at the Nighthawk Lady Hawk (not on the slide). it's a 9mm, but available in 45. The grip is actually a little smaller all around and they use a flat scalloped backstrap. It's feels great.
Here's a crummy cell phone pic of it with the thumb safety still on it before I dremeled it.
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I'd also say, that the single stack grip and the angle of the Kahrs "feels" more like a 1911 to me. The balance and heft does not, but the other aspects are similar.
Sorry for not responding, busy day yesterday. I like the feel of the 1911. The trigger is alright, I can get used to the safety, but overall it just feels like a great gun. I think I am just going to start looking at 9mm 1911's. I like the EMP, but not the price, although I can trade the P2000 and prob come out alright. I will also look at the Para's but have heard that their quality has gone down.
Thanks again for all the advice. I will let you all know what I decide to do.
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To me the H&K USP Compact .40 fit the bill. YMMV of course, but it has basically the same manual of arms except for the magazine release, which was really easy for me to get used to. I did not want to flip back and forth and not be fairly comfortable, or have to think about what I was doing. My thumb, which rests on the safety on my 1911's and H&K always feels lost on my XD's now that I am used to them.
H&K P30 - much slimmer grip feel than the USP, and has interchangeable backstraps.
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I have held the XDM and it came close to the 1911 feel, so does the Ruger SR9 (the SR9C is suppossed to have a much better trigger though), perhaps the Browning Hi Power though it is not polymer, I love the sweep safety of the 1911 and the trigger, I would try out the MP as it looks good from those who recommended it above and has the backstrap option as do the gen 4 glocks, you can also get a trigger job on any of them and the glock you can get a sweep down safety installed also... I've read abou the custom XD triggers being real good. Let us know what you decide and how it shoots!
IMO the answer is “none of them”.
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There are not many 1911's chambered in 9 mm.
What has been mentioned including the list I posted, include models that are all over the price spectrum.
Two more suggestions for you. 1. Hawa/Legacy Bull 10901 3.5" or 5". It is polymer, high capacity, has a Browning type lockup, More of a Houge type combat grip but very comfortable and very reasonably priced.
2. Look into CERTIFIED pre-owned pistols. Sig Sauer and a couple other manufacturers have programs to factory refurbish some of their models. For example, you can get a Sig 220 or 226 for nearly half the price of new.
I sell them. They carry a factory warranty.
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I have both: a Kimber UC II .45 and a XD-45 SC. I much prefer the feel of the Kimber, largely because it is a steel/alloy gun. It just feels better when I shoot it. The XD is a very good gun, don't get me wrong. I have found that the XD "resonates" in my hand because it is plastic(the springs in the magazine "resonate" while firing. As a result, I carry the Kimber partly because it is smaller
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The xd series is a great gun. Also try out the S&W m&p series. When I picked one up and fondeled one it fit great I now have a m&p 9mm compact in my stable and really like it now.
^^^ I bet the OP has already made his decision...
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