Kahr PM9, Keltec PF9 and Taurus 709 and in that order......
This is a discussion on taurus 709 slim, kahr pm9 or keltec pf9? help me decide within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I'm looking for a small semi auto to carry for those times when I need something super easy to conceal. I've narrowed it down to ...
I'm looking for a small semi auto to carry for those times when I need something super easy to conceal.
I've narrowed it down to the three mentioned above.
Here is what I like about each:
Keltec pf9 - price and they seem to have a big following online. plus they are probably the slimmest.
Taurus 709 slim - price, thumb safety, single action trigger (i'm a 1911 guy so this is huge for me). not sure about the size though might be too big. plus I've heard horror stories about taurus' customer service.
kahr pm9 - great rep for quality, small little gun. I'm hung up on the price.
I'd love to get your thoughts and opinions especially if you have experience with these guns. nowhere around me has these in stock to try out so I need help figuring what to get.
My vote would be for the PF9 because it has worked better for me then the Kahrs I have owned .
I have owned two Kahrs and had trouble with both of them .
I have owned four Ketecs and they all worked fine for me.
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When I leave the home port:
S&W 642 Airweight, Ruger SP 101, Colt Detective Spec., CZ RAMI, Kahr PM9, Kahr CW40, S&W Model 10-7, Glock 30, 19, and 26, Browning Hi Power, CZ82, Colt Commander, Dan Wesson PM7, Ruger LCP
1...Kahr PM9 Excellent gun but pricey, good reliability
2...KelTec PF 9 reasonable price, excellent customer service but occasionally you will get one that takes a trip home to be reliable
3...Taurus priced between the Kahr and KT, worst customer dis service I have ever dealt with, never again, two 709's both disasters.
Just my opinion based on ownership of the 3 guns. If price is not a factor go with the Kahr, if cost is a consideration PF9.
PM9, PF-9 in that order, love my PM9.
Love my PM9, my vote goes PM9 first. If you don't like the price and you can stand a little larger but still just as thin as PM9, take a look at the Kahr CW9. Still very concealable for it's size but a lot less money than the PM9.
Also try and find a used PM9. I got mine used (probably had less than 50 rounds fired through it) with night sights for $559. I've had no problems with it.
If you want to stick with 9mm, then consider the Kel-tec.
Otherwise, for super concealability, maybe look into the Ruger LCP. I have one. Love it. They have a good following and they are reliable, dependable, and very small and concealable. I feel like buying 5 of them and hiding one in every room of the house.
Just my thoughts.
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How about a Walther PPS?
Try one of them and you won't have any problem making up your mind.
Had 3 Kahrs (including 2 PM9's) - issues with all of them. CS was terrible. Kahr also has a "unique" manual of arms, so bear that in mind - even if you get a good one, your training might be different than other pistols (eg - you need to load a Kahr from slide lock, using the slide release lever...they will not always reliably load using the slingshot or overhand pull-and-release method. They can jam while attempting a tap-rack dud clearance drill with a full mag of JHPs loaded. And the top round in the spare mag can pop out unless you have a tight spare mag carrier). Worth it? You need to decide.
I have no experience with Kel Tec, so no comment there.
My only experience with the Taurus 709 was fondling one at a gun store. Neither mag would drop free, and the store owner was going to try and fix it himself, because the turn-around from Taurus CS was 8 weeks (his words). While it is a SA trigger, it does NOT feel like a 1911 trigger - it has a much longer trigger pull.
My "small gun" is the Ruger LCP. We own 2 of them in the family, and soon will have a third. Otherwise, I run Glocks.
Try before you buy, if at all possible.
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The number of people killed because they didn't have "enough gun" is dwarfed by those who had none at all. Get a gun you will always carry, and add more capability as you grow.
I'd also recommend taking a look at the PPS.
The709 was the on I bought and got about 1550 flawless rounds. And its my EDC!!!
I have over 1700 problem free rounds through my PT709. I hope this helps. God Bless
I have 500-600 rounds through my 709. Im happy. But I have model 94 .22 revolver that is a dog with terrible Taurus CS. I have no regrets with the 709, but look at the PPS. Threr is a PPS owners forum to check out.