Technically .380acp is 9mm in diameter :tongue:, but anyways, most people that have the little pocket guns in .380acp have more than 1 round to shoot :tongue: and I believe that the 13 rounds of .380acp that I carry in my Smith&Wesson Bodyguard 380 will stop most attackers. God Bless :smile:
As an update to those who have been breathlessly awaiting a progress report on the testing of my replacement P380, another 100 rounds of my preferred Speer Lawman TMJ have been successfully fired, totaling just over 200 consecutive malfunction-free shots with this particular load, following about 150 trouble-free shots of various FMJ and HP rounds. So my particular P380 is probably as reliable as any P380, and will consider carrying it, if I cannot manage concealing a .38 Special snub, or something larger.
However, due to the numerous malfunctions (with FMJ) during the first hundred rounds fired, and the 550 rounds wasted on the original frame, I hesitate to give my P380 an unqualified endorsement, and will have to similarly extensively test any other load, FMJ or HP, I may consider in the future.
I will caution friends and colleagues to be prepared to drop a couple of C-notes on test ammunition, and even more should they happen to acquire another of the similarly defective frames still out there (I haven’t heard of any recalls). I believe this piece is potentially far superior to the Ruger LCP or S&W Bodyguard .380 et. al., and someday could well prove to be worth its premium price, but not with its current issues.
The best .380 I ever owned was a stainless Sig P230 (not a misprint , I mean P230, not P238) which digested anything, I also learned to trust German (French)-made Walther PPK/S’s (as imported by Interarms), but only with FMJ ammunition. However, both of these are too big to be classed with the choices given on the ballot. So I’d simply cast a “None of the Above” vote, but that option isn't on the ballot.
I can only recommend the Ruger LCP since I have one. I really like it, like the design, size and its quality.
P3AT 3,011 documented rounds with 5 failures (two in first mag) replaced springs every ~800rds
Rohrbaugh R9 532rds of 115GD HP one ftf (that round would not fire in my beretta and Hi Power)
Seecamp 32. ~350 by me no failures with hornady xtp (my carry ammo)
Seecamp 380 ~300 of only federal hydra-shok 0 failures
LCP failures with hornady CD, none with any other ammo ~200rd
If I was on a budget and had one choice would be Kel-Tec P32 with Fiocchi 73gr fmj.
I have owned and shot most on this list plus two types of browning .380s, two types of beretta .380s, and a star .380. My walther ppk and the star .380 are MY favorites. I carry a variety from .45 lc, .44 spec, .45 acp, etc. I still find the walther to be one of my regularly carried pocket guns.
Just my .02
I have used the Sig P238 & the Ruger LCP. They have their pros and cons. My wife like her LCP & I like my P238. IMO the LCP is your true super sleek quick draw pocket pistol, however i also believe it is a 5' gun the sites are??? well you know, nonexistent. The P238 I can still draw quickly after I have paracticed although it is not as sleek as the LCP. I can also hit targets at 7yds with precision. The nite sites are awesome as well. Its all a matter of opinion. You now have mine.:confused:
I have to have a small pocket pistol (sometimes my PM9 works but even that is usally too big) due to occupation and dress requirements. Tried a P380, couldn't hit the floor with it! Got the LCP and am much more accurate with it. Go figure. I have a Kahr K9, and PM9...great guns and I can shoot them both well. But The P380 is next to useless for me, much as I wanted to like it.
And druryj, I'm surprised to hear your impression of the Kahr P380, as I found mine quite accurate and controllable for its diminutive size, once it's frustrating reliability problems were finally worked out when Kahr essentially replaced it. My p380 was initially accurate but unreliable, maybe yours had defects that made it reliable but inaccurate!Quote:
Originally Posted by druryj
If you have a Fedex account, as well as lot of time, money, ammunition and patience, a Kahr may work out for you, as it eventually did for me.
Just my two cents (multiplied about forty thousand times).
I have never shot the DB380 or the Sig, but I have owned 2 P3AT's , the Bodyguard, 2 LCP's and 2 P380's. I have sold all but the Kahrs. My next favorite to shoot was the P3AT. I am amazed that anybody could shoot more accurately with an LCP than a P380. The sights on the LCP are almost nonexistent and the trigger doesn't compare. But, that's the great thing about having choices. You can find what works for you
The only reason why I pick the BG 380 is because that all I have for a handgun lol.
I have 2 P380's 0ne had problems and one didn't - I think there was a batch of bad parts (I suspect it was the locaton of the barrel lug) for a month or so - but do not know this for sure. They seem to be back on track now. I think its best because I haven't shot many of the other choices and I really like mine. They are thin, small, light and beautifully made.
I bought the bg 380 and have no regrets. Shes tightly finished and has the laser integrated onto the frame.