Bersa Thunder 380
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My wife & I have been looking for her carry gun. She has decided on a .380 like a Ruger LCP or a S&W Bodyguard.
The S&W was her preferred choice because it had a manual safety, but I have been reading that the EAA frames have issues with the take down pin falling out & the gun falling apart. Unfortunately the LCP has no manual safety.
My question is what other guns of the same size and roughly same caliber .32 cal < have manual safety??
Bersa Thunder 380
The only other gun I can think of that would have a manual safety would be the SIG 238 which is a Single Action only like the 1911 style. If you are concerned with the overall safety of other .380 style pistols that do not have a manual safety, I have been carrying an LCP for a few years as well as others who have carried that along with other style .380s and have not heard of one negligent discharge posted on here or any other websites I follow. With the proper training and a good holster those weapons without a manual safety are very safe.
I personnely don't like manual safeties on my weapons due to it being something you have to remember to switch off in the event you have to use it in a high stress situation. I have a lot of training with pistols within the military, and have trained a lot of soldiers in the use of pistols in high stress situations, and the one thing I have learned is when high stress is added people lose their fine motor skills and something as simple as switching off the safety can be difficult during a life and death situation. My unit applies the KISS "KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID" method as much as possible.
As for the S&W Bodyguard .380, it is a new design but so far I have not heard any complaints about the function of the pistol.
Just my 2 cents.
I would advise against a manual safety also, but the Bersa Thunder .380 is a great little pistol. Single stack with great ergos and its very thin.
'Concur w/skysoldier. The LCP is a very safe firearm to carry loaded, with one in the pipe. Logically, it is no different than carrying a loaded revolver. It's double-action only - there is no hammer waiting to fall. I've pocket-carried one (holstered) for over a year now and it has seen serious abuse (manual labor, bending over, carrying heavy stuff, bumping into things, etc..). I can't imagine how it could go off by accident.
If I were to insist on a manual safety on a .380, I'd go with the Sig 238. That's never gonna happen though. For self-defense, I've chosen the KISS principle.
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Forgot to add that the Bersa is a DA/SA which means a long, hard trigger pull on the first shot. Keep in mind that a quality holster must be used to cover the trigger gaurd.
If I were to carry it, I would do so with the safety off, hammer down.
The Taurus Millennium Pro series all have manual safeties, and are DAO to boot. Available calibers include .32, .380, 9mm, .40 and .45, but that are all pretty much the same size. I have the earlier model (PT111, not a Pro) in 9mm, and recoil is mild. There is no sense in dropping down to the .32, unless someone had given you a lifetime supply of ammo.
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My wife has so far been adamant about a manual safety. She has "concerns" about carrying with one in the chamber & no safety. <sigh> I have tried to explain that in an emergency she would have to remember to disengage it! (I suppose she's afraid of shooting her butt off). She feels comfortable with revolvers. I carry a Sigma cocked & locked & have no issues. I just don't want her carrying w/o one in the chamber.
Anyway, I want to go to the gun shop with a list & let her try the alternatives.
Kahrs got the option for manual safety..
If it helps, I also really struggled with the notion of carrying with one in the chamber (Coast Guard forbade that practice). To get over the psychological aspect, I'd carry a cocked Glock with a snap cap in the chamber. There was never a circumstance where I would find that it had fired. Once I had un-done years of poor training and thinking, I was able to happily carry 'ready to rock'. Perhaps the revolver might help her with this concept.
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Just a little bigger with 9mm are the Kahr PM9 and the Taurus PT709. I hope this helps. God Bless
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the new PX4 sub compact 9mm has a slide safety - but that's a bigger gun than you mentioned... As someone else said - some of the Kahr PM9s have a new frame safety.
Beretta makes one in .32 manual safety.
Personally I would think the Taurus pt 709 slim would fit your needs well.
The Beretta is gonna be smaller though.
The tiny .32acp Seecamp can be had with a safety.
The Walther PPK has a safety.
There are some of the Sig P230 that are in .32acp that have a safety.