This is a discussion on Two part question..helping someone pick an inexpensive 45 acp within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Tauri ha I love the plural!!...
-It is a seriously scary thought that there are subsets of American society that think being intellectual is a BAD thing...
I own a pt145 and have shot it alot and have yet to have anykind of failure with many different ammos from the dirt cheap to the good stuff its very easy to conceal and 10+1 is great in 45acp I like how it fits my hand while still being small i picked up a g36 and just didnt like how it felt..the pt145 is a reliable handgun that has given me no problems.. Now that said i have heard its a luck of the draw kinda deal where one might work perfect and the next wont be worth the box of ammo your trying to shoot..Mine works perfect i would highly recomend it to anyone... But as always a Glock is a Glock and they didnt get there reputation for nothing
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Make sure he also realizes he is going to be spending more for .45 ACP ammo. I love my xd45c, but buying ammo is always painful.
He is odd. he will trust his life to a keltec P11 but not a Taurus.. Well, I wonder which is better quality...
The replies are all thoughtful and relevant, but let me toss this idea out there:
I don't want to "help" anyone buy anything they may need to rely on for their life or livelihood. That includes cars, schools, and especially firearms. What if you help your friend pick out a certain gun, and it turns out to be a lemon? Yes, that's technically not your problem, but it will come between you in the future. What if he actually needs it to save perhaps his wife's life, and it doesn't perform?
Same with a car. I suggested a couple makes and models to my adult daughter, but she picked her own. When the transmission died on her, I felt good I hadn't pushed her into a decision.
If you want to keep your friends, try not helping so much.
I've never had to send my keltec, but in my early shooting years i bought a taurus pt99, a 44mag, and a 9 shot 22lr revolver and have had to send them all back to taurus for a fix. No i only own the 22lr and bought a glock to replace the other two!
"In those days, there was a lot more respect for other people and it showed in peoples values.... Today the word value means nothing more than something you get on the $1 menu at McDonald's." -BARK'N
What I have said to friends and family who ask about anything like that is, "I purchased a XXX for reasons X, Y, and Z...."
If someone asked me about a ccw, I'd say, "I intially went with a Kimber, but had some reliability issues, so I decided to get a Glock, and I couldn't be happier. Those are my personal experiences. As always, YMMV."
That's as far as I'd go.
Guns by the Bull (Taurus) give people the horns far to often for me to even consider one. I woild look somewhere else to spend my hard earned gun money. I also suggest looking at the Kahr CW45. The CW series may be their "entry level" handguns but they are hard hard to beat for the money.
When I leave the home port:
S&W 642 Airweight, Ruger SP 101, Colt Detective Spec., CZ RAMI, Kahr PM9, Kahr CW40, S&W Model 10-7, Glock 30, 19, and 26, Browning Hi Power, CZ82, Colt Commander, Dan Wesson PM7, Ruger LCP
Bite the bullet....for a nominal amount more you can get a M&P "midsize". Accurate and dependable
Tell your friend to look at a Beretta Px4 Storm in 45apc, great gun, in the 500.00 range, both dependable and very accurate. If you are going to use any handgun for personal protection the terms cheap or inexpensive should not be used in the same breath.
I had a Taurus PT145 also. I thought the gun itself was great. Liked the sights, the trigger, external safety, I was very accurate with it. But the mags....the mags just killed it. Ghetto remedies such as cutting the springs and such just didn't do it for me. So I got a G30.
For a high cap .45 in a small package the G30 is the deal. Could also look into a RIA 1911...cap. 8rounds I've been carrying it lately. I also recommend a PM45...pretty much a pocket pistol .45 though..cap is 6+1...I liked the butter smooth trigger of the PM45.
Though after I got alittle over 1000 rounds on it I noticed the polymer rails on the frame were getting beat pretty bad...so I got rid of it.
The Bersa TH45UC is relatively inexpensive and very reliable.
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