Kimber Ultra Carry II

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    Question Kimber Ultra Carry II

    I placed a deposit on the above mentioned .45 and am now second guessing my choice after reading a number of posts on the internet re problems with this model.

    It comes with the Crimson Trace grips for a total cost of $999 new. I was looking at a couple of other brands of 1911 but by the time I purchase the grips I am as much or more in cost than the Kimber. I was not able to warm up to the Glock but almost everything I read about them is positive. This would be for concealed carry.

    Given the pros and cons should I keep looking or chance that I get a good Kimber? I love the 1911 but my 1944 military version is just to large and heavy to carry around under a shirt.

    Thanks in advance from a new member.

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    Lot's of Kimbers get purchased and they run like the wind with no problems at all. Some Kimbers get purchased and people have issues with them. My personal opinion is that their quality control is a bit lacking for how much you pay for their guns. My main issue with them is their customer service. If you have issues Kimber basically wont even look at the gun unless you have 500 rounds through it to break it in. FIVE HUNDRED ROUNDS. Around here the cheapest .45 I can buy is 15.00 per 50 so you have to dump 150.00 in ammo through the gun before Kimber will look at it. No thanks! I understand 200 rounds for break in but 500 is outrageous unless they are giving away a free 300 rounds with every one of their guns.
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    Mine is just fine. What you find on the internet doesn't necessarily pertain to your selection. Like Rollo said; there plenty of um out there running all day everyday, and then there's a few that don't, but then again that holds true to many other makes and models too. If you're unsure, just follow your gut, but IMO, there's nothing wrong at all with the Kimber brand and more to the point the Ultra Carry 2.

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    I had one, liked it alot. Never had a problem with it, concealed great (for my method of carry). I also had the CT grips..the laser was right on out of the box. 7-10yards I could perform surgery with it.

    Never once did I have a problem with it...even with factory mags. Though my defense rounds were packed in three Wilson 7 rounders.

    Didn't like the take down, or the cost of a spring assembly kit.

    If you do get it, I have an extra recoil spring assembly kit for it I could sell ya.

    Since sold it and got two 1911's out of the money I sold mine for. Do I miss it? kinda...will I buy one again? Maybe.

    It was a good gun.

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    By the way,not everyone cleans their guns after every shooting.Take care of your Kimber,and she will take care of you.

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    thanks to all

    Funny thing, I had that same feeling re the break-in period. The cheapest I can find decent FMJ around here is $30 per 100. I do clean my handguns after use.

    Frogbones I was thinking of having that spring assembly on hand since that appears to be the weak point of the 3" barrel on those models. Not sure what they cost but I would be interested if it is the same one.

    What I did notice on both the display model and on the one I actually purchased is that the slide release is almost impossible to operate with your finger unless you unload the tension on it a bit by pulling back on the slide with the other hand. It appeared to me that the notch was a bit sharp and digging into the release. Not certain if this is something that will wear in.

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    I own a couple of Ultra Carries, and two Ultra Aegis guns converted to 9x23, which I often carry. They all work flawlessly. I've had a bunch of students with UCs, and all their guns have worked, except for a fellow who let his go too many rounds before replacing recoil springs. Replace your recoil springs no less frequently than every 1000 rounds, and I recommend 500-750. His had gone 1500 when it started to malf due to excessive slide velocity. If you want to extend the life of your recoil springs, while further guaranteeing reliability, find a good smith to install an EGW flat-bottom firing pin stop, and put Wolff extra-power springs in your magazines. If you do that, your recoil spring life may extend to 1500-2000 rounds.

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    It's the Internet so beware. I have two Kimbers and Customer service has been great for both. My Ultra has about 1000 rounds through it and never had a malfunction with Kimber mag. I had 2 malfunction during a 100 round test of Remingtion Golden Sabres 185gr, which Kimber doesn't recommend. Sent my pistol in to Kimber and they would only test it with my Kimber mags but they ran 47 rounds of 185gr Golden Sabres through the pistol and polished the feed ramp and adjusted the frame where the ramped barrel touched without issue. Mine works fine with Ranger T 230gr. and is laser accurate under 12 yards. I recommend Kimpro Tac mags. no need to run 500 rounds if the pistols malfuntions every mag...lol. Kimber will make it right if that occurs without going to 500 rounds. If there's issue call them and speak to Dennis.

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    My Ultra Carry was a nightmare...don't trust it, or the company. Kimber has a very "lax" attitude toward was is and is not acceptable function and customer support.

    Sending a pistol back to me with a broken recoil assembly, then telling me "Don't worry, it will still work..." then taking a month to get me a new assembly is not a confidence booster in a pistol I might have to trust with my life. (That was the end of it, not the whole tale...)

    Hey Kimber Manufacturing Inc...if you are reading this, and have the stones to want to hear about it, why don't you PM me so I can tell you in person about my experience with your products & company's customer service.

    Yeah...silence...

    Look. I'll tell you what Wilson Combat told me when I asked them to work on the gun..."Sorry, we don't do Kimber 3 inch 1911's because we can't make them work to our standards. You seem like a guy who wants a lot of gun on a budget. Go look at a Springfield 1911."

    If Springfield is good enough for Wilson to recomend...

    I'll let you figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNDEM View Post
    Kimber will make it right...
    HA HA HA HA...

    That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

    If Kimber ever has the stomach to hear about the way they treated me, I can give them the serial number over the phone so they can check the records of which half trained ape in the repair department was the moron who set a customer back a gun with a broken part...

    But it will never happen.

    Put it this way...if you chambered a round in you Kimber, then racked the slide and the round fell out...I wouldn't pick it up to shoot in my gun for fear of my weapon catching a gun related STD.

    That's how I feel about Kimber because of their customer service.

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    Three out of four of mine needed work, and not just fluf and buff work. The one that didn't I only had for about two months and shot very little. I'll pass.

    Don't like what I have to say, ask Hilton Yam and 10-8

    They exhibited the following symptoms during the first training class:
    -Feedway malfunctions with OEM Kimber TacPro mags - rounds would nose down into the frame below the feedramp
    -Feedway malfunctions with quality aftermarket magazines. The feedramps were improperly dimensioned and all the guns came with the Kimpro finish on the feedramp so they became sticky with extended firing.
    -Extractor tension failures - some of the extractors fell right out of the slides upon disassembly
    -Slide stop problems - premature lockbacks, failure to lock back, or improper lockback such that seating a magazine caused the slide to drop. Most of the guns had .38/9mm slide stops with lobes so long that they struck the top round in the magazine. These guns were .45's.
    -Rear sights falling out

    When I got to the pistols at around 5-6000 rounds, we had some more problems:
    -at least 2/3 of the pistols had loose plunger tubes that were held in primarily by the grips. The factory plunger tubes were MIM units which did not hold a stake very well.
    -grip screws had come out with the bushings, as they were not staked or Loctited at the factory
    -several had their barrel bushings break. These bushings were machined, and I have no idea why they went south.
    I bought into the "Don't believe the negative hype" lines and it cost me dearly. With what I spent on guns, ammo, different types of magazines, range time, etc. I could have bought a Wilson Supergrade for a little more.

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    I was starting to feel pretty good about my selection until I read the last few posts...yikes!

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    Like many, I have read lots of Kimber horror stories on the net. I can't speak to their credibility or lack thereof. Here are my direct Kimber experiences: I have owned Kimbers since the first year they came out. I currently own 2 5" Custom .45s, 2 Ultra Carry .45s, 3 different versions of Custom Shop Compact .45s, a 5" Aegis converted to 9x23 and 2 Ultra Aegises (Aegi? Aegii?) converted to 9x23. All of them work flawlessly. I carry the 9x23s regularly, and each of my sons carries a Compact .45, one an alloy frame, the other an all-steel gun. I have owned one other Kimber 5" .45, and sold it. It also worked great, but someone came along who wanted it enough to pay more than it was worth. The first one I ever owned had a forging flaw on one frame rail, resulting in a big, protruding steel splinter, and Kimber replaced the frame very quickly. I have worked on several Kimbers with functional issues of various kinds. Most just needed a trigger job or an extractor tune, but a few needed the recoil spring replaced due to the wrong spring being installed at the factory (all of them 4" guns), one or two needed a new extractor, a couple needed the firing pin safety retimed, a couple needed the grip safety tuned so that it released sooner, and most needed to have the magazines replaced. I prefer Wilson mags, Nighthawks, or McCormick Pro-Mags. I MUCH prefer the original guns, without the firing pin safety, but if the fp safety is timed right, it is fine.

    The story about Bill Wilson amuses me, with him recommending a Springfield Armory. It is especially amusing, considering that for many years, Wilson bought his frames and slides from the same manufacturer as Kimber did, Jericho Manufacturing. The relative frequency of metallurgical problems with SA guns has been substantially higher than with Kimbers or Wilsons, in my experience. Bill's recommendations mean about as much to me as would one from Rahm Emmanuel, even though his shop turns out some very nice pistols and I even own one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLeVick View Post
    Like many, I have read lots of Kimber horror stories on the net. I can't speak to their credibility or lack thereof. Here are my direct Kimber experiences: I have owned Kimbers since the first year they came out. I currently own 2 5" Custom .45s, 2 Ultra Carry .45s, 3 different versions of Custom Shop Compact .45s, a 5" Aegis converted to 9x23 and 2 Ultra Aegises (Aegi? Aegii?) converted to 9x23. All of them work flawlessly. I carry the 9x23s regularly, and each of my sons carries a Compact .45, one an alloy frame, the other an all-steel gun. I have owned one other Kimber 5" .45, and sold it. It also worked great, but someone came along who wanted it enough to pay more than it was worth. The first one I ever owned had a forging flaw on one frame rail, resulting in a big, protruding steel splinter, and Kimber replaced the frame very quickly. I have worked on several Kimbers with functional issues of various kinds. Most just needed a trigger job or an extractor tune, but a few needed the recoil spring replaced due to the wrong spring being installed at the factory (all of them 4" guns), one or two needed a new extractor, a couple needed the firing pin safety retimed, a couple needed the grip safety tuned so that it released sooner, and most needed to have the magazines replaced. I prefer Wilson mags, Nighthawks, or McCormick Pro-Mags. I MUCH prefer the original guns, without the firing pin safety, but if the fp safety is timed right, it is fine.

    The story about Bill Wilson amuses me, with him recommending a Springfield Armory. It is especially amusing, considering that for many years, Wilson bought his frames and slides from the same manufacturer as Kimber did, Jericho Manufacturing. The relative frequency of metallurgical problems with SA guns has been substantially higher than with Kimbers or Wilsons, in my experience. Bill's recommendations mean about as much to me as would one from Rahm Emmanuel, even though his shop turns out some very nice pistols and I even own one of them.
    While there are many happy Kimber owners out there, I think it just shows the level of hit/miss with their QC. A Kimber that runs, runs very well. One that doesn't run will make you want to slit your wrists. For what Kimber charges I'm not willing to risk purchasing from them anymore.

    Rust prone barrels, improperly cut feed ramps, some questionable MIM parts history, varying reports on customer service etc...no thanks, for the money give me a Springfield or Colt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    One that doesn't run will make you want to slit someone else's wrists.
    Fixed that for you...

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