This is a discussion on 380 Gone, Caliber Changes for 2011? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by 10thmtn I've fondled one at a gun store. Personally, I'd rather get the LCP and add the CT Laserguard - you can ...
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I'm not sure I understand the comments about people not being able to conceal "larger" pistols. I can conceal a full size glock and XD in the middle of summer in shorts and a tee shirt with a IWB holster. If you can't you need to lose some weight or buy bigger clothes, or something! Bottom line is that if you knew for sure you were going to need your weapon to protect yourself or loved one today you would leave the 380 at home and take your "larger" pistol. And this is the mind set everyone needs to have that carries a weapon for self defense. On the flip side of what some people are saying, I would hate to know that people got killed because I could have stopped a bad guy and didn't because I didn't have enough firepower.
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Ummm....no. If I knew that, I would stay home. I'm not Wyatt Earp looking for the OK Corral.Bottom line is that if you knew for sure you were going to need your weapon to protect yourself or loved one today you would leave the 380 at home and take your "larger" pistol.
I don't have much faith in a .380 (or a 9), but they will work in probably over 90% of the cases where a gun is needed for self defense since most of the time no shots are fired (Kleck, et al).
Caliber wars ad nauseum. Carry what you're comfortable and accurate with and don't worry about what others carry or think. Personal decision.
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And to echo what was said above, if I knew I was going to need a gun, I would do my best not to be there...if that was impossible, I would bring a long gun, and friends with long guns.
Some folks here grossly over estimate the fight-stopping ability of any weapon that can be fired with one hand - i.e. - the handgun. Absent a hit to very specific areas of a human's body (the brain and/or upper spinal column) no handgun is going to cause an attacker's body to instantly shut down due to physical damage.
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This is taking into consideration, the Perpetrator(s) you are up against are willing to stand there in the breeze, while you produce your firearm, Take your proper stance and commence firing.
OTOH, if they are not willing participants in your demonstration on how to shoot rapid fire at a statue still object,(eg),
1) they are shooting back at you
2) they are already engaging you in a struggle for the weapon
3)there are more than you can count on one hand attacking you
4)its dark and you are NOT afforded the perfect shot,
You may want to consider something more substantial, which would impress upon them your determination to live
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Not a .380 fan but there is more to a CC gun/pistol than caliber. For me it’s also handling, safety and reliability. I continue to favor my S&W 640 loaded with Buffalo Bore 158. If five-rounds of that isn’t enough for the initial engagement, then it was fun while it lasted.
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Quote from Saber: "Not a .380 fan but there is more to a CC gun/pistol than caliber. For me it’s also handling, safety and reliability. I continue to favor my S&W 640 loaded with Buffo Bore 158. "If five-rounds of that isn’t enough for the initial engagement, then it was fun while it lasted."
I like what he said. I think too many of us over think this, are over the top and slip into an LEO mentality. Chances are it's your awarenes and initial reaction time that'll make more of a difference then what caliber or type of gun you have in your pocket. And there is something to be said about just being able to produce the gun that will statistically keep you safe in a number of circumstances. Of course we all know not to rely on that 100% or we could carry empty guns but you know what I mean.
I've learned you never really convince anyone on the net of anything but you can influence a few from time to time.
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Agree with what both Gideon and Saber said.
Most criminals are looking for easy targets.
If you are confronted with a dozen gun toting thugs bent on killing you, even a high cap 45 isn't going to keep you alive. But how often does that actually happen in the U.S. unless you are into the big time drug leagues? (And even then?)
Point I was trying to make is that the small .380 pistols are plenty "shootable" if you have the basic fundamentals of shooting down.
I also find it mildly amusing when folks on these forums claim the .380 is too weak, while at the same time complaining about the "terrible recoil" of the small .380 pistols. Uh...so which is it?
However, here in Atlanta, March through October present a challenge. The PM45 is marginally pocketable except in jeans, and is a great pistol, but I have a feeling that come spring, I will be using the LCP with proper ammo a lot.
I certainly do not think my Sig P230 has too much recoil, but then people criticize it for being overly large for a .380 !