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Which BUG or pocket gun to buy?

This is a discussion on Which BUG or pocket gun to buy? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by joepa150 The only one that doesn't have a lock is the used 442. Just out of curiousity, why is that preferred over ...

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  • New S&W 642 $449

    8 12.31%
  • New S&W 442 $449

    5 7.69%
  • Used S&W 642 $329

    13 20.00%
  • Used S&W 442 $329

    6 9.23%
  • New Ruger LCR $449

    8 12.31%
  • New Ruger LCP $279

    22 33.85%
  • New S&W Bodyguard 380 $399

    2 3.08%
  • New Charter Arms Undercover 38special $330

    1 1.54%
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    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150 View Post
    The only one that doesn't have a lock is the used 442.

    Just out of curiousity, why is that preferred over the locked type? I know that I will not use the lock but would it be worth getting the no lock for the same price as the locked but be in worse condition?
    Definitely go with the used 442 with no lock in my opinion. I had to remove the lock from my 442 (easy to do) and I also put some wolff spring sets in it while I was in there. I've got hundreds and hundreds of rounds through my 442, so I'd consider it used. It shows a bit of carry wear. Shoots great and easy to carry. I woundn't have any concerns with it being used whatsoever (as long as you can check out the action, lockup, etc.). There's a sticky here somewhere on how to check out a revolver.

    PS. I began having trigger lock-up issues with the lock after about a thousand rounds. When trying to fire fast, the trigger would seize and I would have to let off of it and pull again. Also, I used to use the lock on mine some with kids around. I realized one day that I had been carrying it for a couple days and it was locked. I'm just not taking any chances anymore (and I was a supporter of the internal lock).
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    I voted for the LCP as mine has been flawless. It has never missed a beat and you don't even realize you have it. I do believe a J-frame would be a good choice also.

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    I voted for the new 642, nothing wrong with a used one just been burned on a couple of used guns I purchased semi's but still left a bad taste. I have and carry a lcp daily but most often it's a bug to my 40M&Pc or a 642, good luck
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    I voted for a used S&W 442. Besides the wear and a few scratches, there is no difference in reliability and performance between a used one and a new one. I use a S&W 442 as a BUG and I highly recommend it. I cannot believe that the Ruger LCP is the highest voted one.
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    The only one that doesn't have a lock is the used 442.
    Then that is the one I would buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150 View Post
    The only one that doesn't have a lock is the used 442.
    Any of the other 442/642s can be relieved of it's lock with no visible evidence of the operation in about 15 minutes by anyone who can follow instructions. This is a reversible operation, although I don't know why you would want to perform the reversal.
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    As others have stated the "lock" mechanism can be easily removed from the pistol in about 20 min. This also gives you a chance to understand how the gun works, change springs if you desire and clean out the buildup under the lock plate if you buy a used gun. The lock should not scare you off from getting a good deal on a used unit.
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    642, 442, or 640-1 as long as there isn't a lock in any of them! I have both the 642 and the 640-1 and prefer the heavier 640-1 with .357 for caliber and shootability, but it's a heavy bugger.



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    What is wrong with the 642/442 with the lock? I realize that I will never use the lock but has anyone actually had problems with the lockin mechanism.

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    Whether you use the lock or throw away the key... the lock introduces an un-necessary spring operated mechanism that can and has jammed guns during fire.

    While the likelihood of the lock inavertantly causing a jam while shooting the gun is NOT likely, it can and has happened. SO... why would you willingly choose to rely on a revolver with the lock when you can get perfectly wonderful revolvers which do NOT have the lock? You can be 100% assured that a revolver without the lock will NEVER jam as a result of a lock-related problem!
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    You can remove the internal lock of the S&W 642 or 442 in 10 minutes or less with simple tools and by following instructions. Don't let the lock be a deciding factor. Here's a great video to remove the internal lock:

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    the Ruger LCP is the best "pocket gun" from the list you mentioned IMO..

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    Quote Originally Posted by alachner View Post
    You can remove the internal lock of the S&W 642 or 442 in 10 minutes or less with simple tools and by following instructions.
    Removing an existing lock would be a requirement for a defense revolver for me, if I even had one with a lock in it.

    But even better is choosing a revolver that never had a lock in the first place! ;-) Then you don't even open that can of worms regarding tampering with safety mechanisms and such.
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    Wow - what an interesting poll! Never would I have believed that the .380 LCP would lead such a poll by a 2:1 margin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    Removing an existing lock would be a requirement for a defense revolver for me, if I even had one with a lock in it.

    But even better is choosing a revolver that never had a lock in the first place! ;-) Then you don't even open that can of worms regarding tampering with safety mechanisms and such.
    I understand, but did you watch the video? It is very simple and you don't tamper with any safety mechanisms or alter the revolver's functionality.
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