What Is Wrong With Having a Gun With a Magazine Disconnect?

This is a discussion on What Is Wrong With Having a Gun With a Magazine Disconnect? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by CajunBass I don't think they are an advantage. I'm sort of neutral about them myself. I won't buy a gun just because ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunBass View Post
    I don't think they are an advantage. I'm sort of neutral about them myself. I won't buy a gun just because it has one, I won't not buy it because it has one. I do own both.

    If I'm ever in a gunfight, I figure I'll be too busy peeing in my pants to worry about rather I can shoot during a reload. I'll be shooting to slide lock. Then I'll worry about reloading.
    Yup^^^ I'm neutral as well I see both sides, and what it comes down to is personal choice. I don't have a mag safety on my M&P I just have the external thumb safety, while my dad has the mag disconnect on his M&P. My uncle doesn't have either on his M&P, nor does my co-work on his M&P. Personal choice.

    Here is an article that I think a mag disconnect would have been good. Would have given the cop the chance to focus on the threat rather than trying to jam his gun. Long read but well worth it.
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    For a carry gun I want as little as possible to be able to go wrong. A mag disconnect can malfunction, or the magazine can not quite seat and not quite disengage the mag disconnect (thanks for not calling it a "safety"). Not to mention it adversely affects the trigger pull on some guns (i.e. Browning Hi Power).

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    If I lost control of my weapon in a struggle I'd rather take my chances that the one shot will miss me, than risk a malfunction that it WONT go bang when I want it too. Lawyers are on the other end of it in the name of safety (which I disagree). I think its a totally false sense of security to have one, and would do little to save lives in the event of a NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE. How does that go?

    Always treat the gun likes its L....

    Keep your booger hook off the bang switch unless you want to destroy whatever your gun is pointed at...

    If you can't abide by this than you shouldn't have a gun, and if you can't train those around you who may come in contact with it or secure it in a manner where they CAN"T come in contact with it - maybe you should consider a slingshot.

    Mag disconnects add complexity, CAN fail, and if I'm pulling the trigger either I"ve safety cleared it at least twice or I'm really hoping it goes bang for a good reason. period.

    I will never own a firearm with a magazine disconnect and I will also never live in Commie-fornia, Massachusetts, or New York (I think these states require them on new firearms) someone correct me if I"m wrong. No offense to those living there, I've been to all of those states too, but I won't live there due to their laws.

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    Don't have an auto-loader these days but I watched the video that 'shockwave' linked, and it does seem pretty darn simple to remove. In the great scheme of things I’m not sure if it would sway me either way.
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    I wouldn't say it's a deal breaker for me as to whether I buy the gun or not but personally I don't want a gun with a magazine disconnect. To me, it's just another thing that could break or malfunction and take my gun out of a potential life or death situation.
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    I had the mag disconnect disabled on my FN 5.7. Others have hit the major points, but let me add a couple of points germane to this pistol as well as others. Should you be carrying it cocked and locked or just sport-shooting a partial magazine, after removing the mag and racking the slide to remove the chambered round, you must empty the mag and reinsert or insert an empty one to drop the hammer. After I had it disabled, the trigger pull was much crisper. Adding crap to the system can't help in smoothing the trigger pull.

    As I have read, the main reason for this feature is to prevent idiots that deem a pistol unloaded simply by dropping the magazine and don't understand clearing the chamber too.

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    I don't like them. The only handgun I have that has a disconnect is a Hi-Power. It definitely impacts trigger quality but I've never bothered to remove it.
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    As to how it could impact CCW holders, there have been several threads lately on having the mag release being operated by holsters etc and either dropping the mag unknown or leaving it partially inserted. That would ruin a day if you drew and no bang when there was at least one in the chamber.

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    Cool

    I only have one pistol that has a magazine disconnect and it is my 1964 P-35 Hi-Power. It is easy enough to take out however I have a very clean breaking stock trigger at 4.5 lbs so I have no reason to change that. Most of the time I am carrying a Glock of one caliber or another so it's good either way.
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    My smith and Wesson 5943 has the Magazine Disconnect. It doesn't bother me, but if I had the choice as with the Smith and Wesson M&P or as I did with my Walther PPS, I would pick no Magazine Disconnect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw View Post
    I guess it would depend on your point of view. If it saves a life, it's a good thing. If it costs a life, it's not. I recently read an article in CH about an LEO that was attacked by a guy with a bat. When he drew his duty weapon, he inadvertently dropped the mag in the scuffle. If he hadn't been able to access his BUG, he might not have survived. Pros and cons to everything.
    I heard the opposite story while living in GA. I state trooper pulled a weapon on a criminal and there was a scuffle for the weapon. The officer dropped the clip (disabling the weapon) and was able to use her backup gun to kill the BG. Years ago I owned a S&W 4013 with this feature and it didn't bother me at all, so a weapon that I like having one would not be a deal breaker. I can definitely see the argument both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigHat View Post
    I had the mag disconnect disabled on my FN 5.7. Others have hit the major points, but let me add a couple of points germane to this pistol as well as others. Should you be carrying it cocked and locked or just sport-shooting a partial magazine, after removing the mag and racking the slide to remove the chambered round, you must empty the mag and reinsert or insert an empty one to drop the hammer. After I had it disabled, the trigger pull was much crisper. Adding crap to the system can't help in smoothing the trigger pull.

    As I have read, the main reason for this feature is to prevent idiots that deem a pistol unloaded simply by dropping the magazine and don't understand clearing the chamber too.
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    I recently ordered a S&W M&P and specified NO magazine disconnect for a few reasons:
    Easier to field strip (No little lever to find and pull out)
    One less thing to go wrong
    In the unlikely situation your magazine comes apart at least you have a single shot gun
    I do have a Ruger MKIII Hunter that has one, but I am unlikely to carry that one.
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    Yes, very true. Appreciate the comment. Only decocker pistol I have though is a SIG 229 so no safety at all, let alone a mag disconnect. Do lots of pistols with deccocking levers also have a mag disconnect? I'm drawing a blank.



    Edit: Oops !! Sorry Varob, meant to quote you just above. Newbie error I guess. Will be more attentive in the future.

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    My 92s have a decocker/safety lever, but no mag disconnect.

    Personally I don't like them.
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