Possible to justify .32 cal for self-defense?

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    Possible to justify .32 cal for self-defense?

    I just went to an estate sale and picked up among other firearms, 3 CZ 50's in .32 caliber. The price for everything was $150. Coincidentally I just happen to have 3 daughters who all have their CCW's but not enough funds with starting families and such to afford their own carry weapons. Me being their father have paid for weddings, dresses, home improvements, etc....

    My plan is to get them each a decent self-defense gun, just can't swing it at this point in time. They each got from Santa Claus this past Chirstmas a 20ga Remington 870 for home defense.

    Can I justify at this point in time providing each of them with a CZ? I know the caliber is tiny but should the guns prove reliable and reasonably accurate (I'll clean, lube, test, replace springs and firing pins if needed), wouldn't these be better than just the pepper spray they carry now?

    What do you think? I really can't afford to go out and get them more than that at this time.

    oh sure, just saw that I misspelled self-defense in the title. Doh!
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    Look at it this way, it's small and they would carry it. Better to have a small calibre gun than not have one at all.
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    I was also thinking that they are not so small as most pocket guns that there is acutally something to hang onto. Although recoil of the .32 in a steel gun shouldn't be bad. I've never shot one before. The reviews on these old shooters don't seem too bad.
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    I've shot these pistols...imho, they recoil ike a .22. They're quite nice, and you got 'em for a song.

    As for the caliber...well, as stated, it's better than nothing.
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    Thanks Cuda. I'm eager to get them cleaned up and out to the range. They are pretty clogged-up with grease at this time. They look like they are in pretty good shape. Do you know if its ok to dry-fire them?
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    The person behind the gun is the most important factor, by far. Load those things with a good FMJ bullet (forget JHPs in .32, see below) and make sure your daughters have the training AND mindset they need to defend themselves.

    tests with .32 can be found here - http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm
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    Thanks 10thmtn. My daughter's have been real good about attending CCW class and Women's Self-Defense class and going to the range for practice with a few different firearms. I see in the chart you linked that penetration is dismal with the expanding rounds. I've read that polishing the feed ramp makes feeding JHP's reliable but what's the point if they won't penetrate? Elsewhere on this forum I've seen advocates of alternating HP's and FMJ's in .380 cal pistols. I think I get the theory. Would alternating the load in the magazine be advisable in this diminutive round also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by resqr9142 View Post
    Thanks 10thmtn. My daughter's have been real good about attending CCW class and Women's Self-Defense class and going to the range for practice with a few different firearms. I see in the chart you linked that penetration is dismal with the expanding rounds. I've read that polishing the feed ramp makes feeding JHP's reliable but what's the point if they won't penetrate? Elsewhere on this forum I've seen advocates of alternating HP's and FMJ's in .380 cal pistols. I think I get the theory. Would alternating the load in the magazine be advisable in this diminutive round also?
    No. The FBI calls for 12-15 inches of penetration, to reach the vitals from odd angles and through arms/hands. In .32, JHPs don't seem to expand much, and penetration isn't up to standard. Just use a quality FMJ.

    The .380 is borderline - some JHPs in .380 can just meet the minimum 12 inches. None that I've seen meet 15. This is the reason for alternating FMJ/JHP in .380. I used to do this myself, but I now just use FMJ in .380.

    A JHP bullet isn't going to turn a poorly placed shot into a stopping hit. Folks put too much emphasis on bullet design, IMHO. Shot placement matters much more than the type of bullet you're shooting.

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    I appreciate your input 10thmtn
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    In time you can step up to heavier artillery... in the meantime, the girls and you just need to know that the .32 is an "eye socket" gun at close range, and a deterrent or a means to buy time and distance from the threat at more than bad-breath distance. Far better than a police whistle!
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    I admire your process to make sure your family can protect themselves.
    A .32 beats pepper spray any day of the week.

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    I'd agree with your logic. Make do with what you have and upgrade asap when more funds are available. The fact they have the shotties at home is also nice.. And a great defensive weapon.

    You are a good dad..

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    As you said, these pistols are certainly way better than nothing. If they are reliable, they would be well worth giving to them.

    But honestly, regarding any future upgrades to better guns, shouldn't their husbands be seeing to their security needs at some point?

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    I agree with 10thmtn 110%
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    +1 to 10thmtn.

    I also advise FMJ, aiming for "soft" areas (eyes, neck, abdomen, etc.), and simply getting used to carrying daily. As stated by many, an upgrade later would be easier and better received with this route.

    Good going, Dad!
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