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How to Properly Lube a Kahr Pistol - Diagram

This is a discussion on How to Properly Lube a Kahr Pistol - Diagram within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Look at #9 in the OP; the lower arrow stops just short of the clean-out hole....

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    Look at #9 in the OP; the lower arrow stops just short of the clean-out hole.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crue2009 View Post
    where exactly is the "striker channel clean out hole" on a kahr cw9
    look at the picture that Lance posted in the OP and you will see the slide inverted....the hole through the slide body into the striker tunnel is located towards the tip of the lower "arrow" for item 9 in the chart. A good shot of high pressure cleaner will force out about anything, both directions, that can get in there.


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    thanks cpo 15 and serveyor,the Kahr manual makes no mention of this or how often the striker channel should be cleaned..

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    About the striker cleanout hole: It's not mentioned in the manual as needing any special attention. I'd shot a few thousand rounds before reading some post that mentioned cleaning it out. So I squirted a bunch of Gunzilla into it and tons of tiny brass chips came out. I'm glad they're out, but the gun ran fine with them in (and again the Kahr manual is silent on the subject) so maybe the Kahr's not so sensitive in this area.

    About not putting lubricant in the striker channel: I sent my CW9 into Kahr for service and the slide came back dripping with oil; so I figured that heavy oiling is OK in the factory's eyes. I personally wipe everything down so there's no standing/dripping lubricant, but I do lube the striker channel with Gunzilla.
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    ...but I do lube the striker channel...
    Me too. I disagree with the "dry striker" camp. Moving metal needs slippery stuff or it will wear prematurely. It doesn't need much though. I would never spray a grease cutting agent into the striker channel. There are a couple of other suggestions on KahrTalk that make no sense to me and go against what I've been taught, or at best seem unneccesary. I treat my Kahrs the same as I do any other of my pistols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley16 View Post
    The Kahr is lubed no differently than any other pistol. The chart is a great visual aide for the novice. Sigarms produced an excellent series of videos to help educate "How to" maintain Sigs, which also apply to any pistol. In addition there are literally thousands of homemade video clips available to learn gun care. There are some really well made instructionals on the two main Kahr Forums.

    Most manuals I have follow the Kahr generalities in instruction as well. "If it's metal and moves, lube it" seems to be the rule of thumb. I owned Kahrs before I ever saw the chart, and it only validated what most gun owners already know. The chart is much more help than hindrance. Common sense.
    To clarify for everyone here, my beef with Kahr Arms is this:

    Yes, it is true that one can go online on user forums to learn about these issues, and view informative videos online, as you have mentioned here. And that is all well and good, and is a most valid point to mention here in this discussion.

    But does that in any way at all absolve a gun manufacturer from not providing any guidance at all in the gun's manual?

    I don't think that it does. I think that gun makers have an obligation to provide a comprehensive manual with their products. The job that Kahr has done with their documentation is absolutely shoddy when it comes to the subjects of cleaning and lubrication.

    What if someone is buying a Kahr, and it is their first handgun?

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    Lance

    I have gun manuals from Kahr, Sig, S&W, Ruger, Kimber, Kel-Tec, Beretta, Marlin, Mossberg, Remington etc, and I don't think any of them are as "comprehensive" as you are searching for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr surveyor View Post
    Lance

    I have gun manuals from Kahr, Sig, S&W, Ruger, Kimber, Kel-Tec, Beretta, Marlin, Mossberg, Remington etc, and I don't think any of them are as "comprehensive" as you are searching for.


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    But I am not "searching" for anything. I already own all of the handguns that I could ever want. What I am saying is that we as consumers deserve better than what Kahr provides. Firearms makers have an obligation to do better than Kahr's effort, in my opinion. And you are correct that does include other companies than just Kahr.

    However, one cannot say that all handgun manuals are at the same poor level that the Kahr manual is at regarding instructions for cleaning and lubrication. I have before me here on my desk manuals for all of my pistols, from Kahr, S&W, Sig, Beretta, Walther, and HK. And the Kahr manual is easily the very worst at providing any useful information to its owner.

    My Sig P220's manual goes into a fair amount of detail. It includes a warning about how some solvents can be harmful. The Kahr manual does not even include that warning. While the instructions do not go into great detail, at least they do list the crucial areas that need to be cleaned ( barrel, breech face, and locking insert ) and also list the key things to lubricate ( barrel, recoil spring, recoil spring guide, and the frame rails.

    The manual for my S&W M&P is more sparse than the P220 manual when it comes to cleaning specifics. But it improves on it on the subject of lubrication, by providing two detailed photographs showing all of the key lubrication points. It also includes the warning about using ammoniated solvents. Again, this is quite superior to the lack of any useful information in the Kahr manual.

    The manual for my Beretta PX4 has two full pages of instructions on cleaning and lubricating that step one through working with all of the key components of the gun. This level of detail is quite good, and certainly far, far superior to the complete lack of any details at all, which is what the Kahr manual provides. It steps the owner through processing the barrel, the central block., the slide, the recoil spring and guide, and the frame.

    Of all my guns, the manual for my HK USP easily has the most instructions regarding cleaning and lubrication: a full 3 pages of instructions. Like the manual for my Beretta PX4, it steps one through all the components and areas that need to be cleaned and lubed. But it goes into even greater detail.

    What both the HK and Beretta manuals lack, however, are any photographs illustrating specific lubrication points, like my S&W M&P's manual has.

    Finally, I come to the manual for my primary carry gun: the Walther PPS. This manual has over 2 pages of instructions on cleaning and lubrication. While the level of detail is not as good as the HK or Beretta manuals, it does also include the warning about using inappropriate solvents. And just like the S&W M&P manual, it also includes two helpful photographs that detail all of the lubrication points.

    So you see, I am speaking from extensive experience with numerous handguns when I complain about the Kahr manual. It is most definitely substandard and inferior to others, when it comes to providing any helpful or useful information to gun owners about cleaning or maintenance.

    It is interesting that the gun that I like the most regarding its quality, reliability, conceal-ability, and shoot-ability ( the Walther PPS ), is also a gun where the manufacturer did a good job at providing decent documentation on cleaning and lubrication.

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    If ya gotta tell people ... clean & light oil all moving parts upon occassion, and any moving metal to metal parts..... then I"m really getting worried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    If ya gotta tell people ... clean & light oil all moving parts upon occassion, and any moving metal to metal parts..... then I"m really getting worried.

    So the gun makers have no responsibility to help people get the most out of their product?

    Should car manufacturers stop providing instructions with their automobiles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LanceORYGUN View Post
    So you see, I am speaking from extensive experience with numerous handguns when I complain about the Kahr manual. It is most definitely substandard and inferior to others, when it comes to providing any helpful or useful information to gun owners about cleaning or maintenance.
    You made me look. I find I have to agree with LanceORYGUN as to the quality of the information the Kahr manual contains. It's pretty sparse. Disassembly instructions are well done both in word and image, but the maintenance section leaves much to the owner's experience. I suppose this is whysome motivated Kahr owner developed the lube chart in the first place... to fill the gap, so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LanceORYGUN View Post
    To clarify for everyone here, my beef with Kahr Arms is this:

    Yes, it is true that one can [... Google...] But does that in any way at all absolve a gun manufacturer from not providing any guidance at all in the gun's manual? [...] What if someone is buying a Kahr, and it is their first handgun?
    It is my first handgun, and I bought it because it's small and--more importantly--cheaper than almost anything out there. Keep in mind that we are seeing record numbers of new gun owners in the college-aged range. These people are not demographically mechanically inclined. That means they need to trust specialists, like designers and manufacturers, for mechanical info... such as what parts to lubricate. These are people who don't even change their own oil.

    The only reason I didn't follow the manufacturer's very clear, specifically stated directions is due to my USAF service. I understand what "lowest bidder" means, both the positive and negative aspects. One of those meanings is that manuals and documentation are more like suggestions or... rough ideas.

    However, the only other firearm I've ever been responsible for maintaining was M4 Uncle Sam had me shoot in boot camp, which demanded psychotherapy and a mani-pedi (slight exaggeration... maybe... I was a bit sleep deprived). I kind of figured the Kahr ran somewhere between this and the manufacturer's clear, specific... and frankly, dismissive lubrication guides. When I briefly Googled, I found many misleading in-jokes (at least, I think "dunk it in Mobil One" is one) so finally said "forget it" and just gave everything a very light wipe-down with 3-in-1 oil and a glasses cleaning cloth, which allowed the weapon to reliably feed rounds from the magazine (it seized up half the time before this).

    My point is, thank you Lance for posting this. Thank you to the content creator for making this. And please, please cut the "what is this, your first gun?" attitude because, yes, for many of us this is their first gun.

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