Thanks, everyone. This is really helpful. Great forum.
This is a discussion on .38 snubby question within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; photo.jpg A good fitting grip makes a heck of a difference....... I do not pocket carry so the grip size is of no consequence to ...
A good fitting grip makes a heck of a difference....... I do not pocket carry so the grip size is of no consequence to me.
Thanks, everyone. This is really helpful. Great forum.
as much as I like my 442 I would listen to azchevy he has done a LOT of testing with the LCR and it is an awesome gun that I will be adding to my collection soon.
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They're as accurate as the shooter even my "cheap" charter off duty at 13 ounces can hold a 1.5 inch group at 25 feet. If I have to use it in a self defense situation I'm just going to rip the trigger so really doesn't matter much what the gun is capable of doing on paper at the range, its more of a belly gun IMO. S&W has come down with their prices get yourself a nice 642 and throw it in a pocket holster.
I've owned my S&W 442 for several years and I love it. Ultimate in carry versatility and I actually enjoy shooting it. I have shot thousands of rounds through it and I have developed surprising accuracy out to 25 and 35 yards. I shoot 5" steel plates and bowling pins at these distances and can hit them easily and repeatedly. I did replace both the hammer and trigger return springs on mine with a Wolff spring set and polished the internals. It shoots great to me, not brutal at all. Buddies of mine don't like it, but I have very thick hands and wrists and I grew up shooting revolvers. Any small light gun is going to have considerable felt recoil. That's just a matter of physics. It just depends on what you are used to and what you can manage. The sights are what they are, but if you're used to shooting revolvers it isn't a problem. Accuracy isn't a matter of the gun, it is a matter of what degree of accuracy can you attain with a given gun. With a commitment to practice, you can become proficient with the light snubs within several hundred rounds. I shoot 50 to 100 through mine each range trip with no problem. The LCR is very popular, Ruger is a reputable company, and it seems to have a nice trigger out of the box. My personal preference is the S&W 442 because it is just a tad smaller. I would recommend finding a range or a friend that has some you can shoot...that's the only way to really know for yourself.
Here is mine...the old school Chief Special wooden grip fits my hand best and I'm able to achieve surprising accuracy with it. The second pic is with the factory grips. Next is my old S&W 49 steel frame, and the last is my Ruger SP101. One can be very efficient and effective with a snubbie if they work at it.
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If you want something that you can shoot a lot, think about a 32 caliber pistol. I bought a S&W 432PD last December, and I've been very pleased with it. Loaded with BlackHills JHP, the 32H&R beats the ballistics of the 380ACP, and the revolver is not as temperamental as a lot of the tiny little 380 pistols. I get six shots compared to five with a 38 caliber pistol It's easy to find 32S&W Long ammo to practice with, so I can save the harder to find H&R mag rounds for carry. I was surprised at how well I could shoot the gun, as I have very minimal experience with a revolver. (I should add that my everyday carry pistol is a Glock 26, so I don't carry the J-frame full time.)
The Stainless steel or all Carbon steel snubbies are not very heavy & with a decent gun belt and a good holster - you'll be able to wear it all day long & not even know that you're carrying it.
All I know is that the sentence "snubbies are not inherently accurate" is... inaccurate.
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From my experience with lots of different snubbies, a grip that fits your hands well is number 1 thing you can do for better accuracy. After that trigger control is next most important to enable you to keep the gun from moving around (the right size and shape grip helps). Smooth trigger is 3rd on my list because with staging the trigger on good quality guns the trigger is less of an issue. Adjustable sights is last.
I have a 1970s vintage Model 10 2" with a fantastic trigger but with the standard grips it would move around in my hand. Swap out the standard smith grips for some finger groove bantams it fits my hand and I can then take advantage of the good trigger. The only snubbie better than my Model 10 from an accuracy point was a Model 15 2" with better adjustable sights that a friend owns... I need to convince him to sell it to me.
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I have an assortment of snubbies including a model 10, 642, 442, Chief, Bodyguard, Detective special and LCR. Love 'em all but typically carry the 642 or LCR (keeping the 442 unfired). My LCR has a great trigger, but the guy who sold it to me bought another and it was lousy. As for accuracy, target accuracy isn't required to keep all your rounds in center mass out to 10 yards or so. I practice point-shooting a lot out to 7 yards as that's the maximum range at which most defensive encounters occur and chances are your either not going to be able to see the sights, or will be in too big a hurry to use them. I have no problem keeping them in center-mass. My defense load is 4.7 grains of Unique under a 158 gr LSWCHP which gives me around 850 fps (chronographed). It's not a plus P, but it's serious and I can practice with it without serious pain. I also have a light practice load--2.7 gr or 3.3 gr of Trailboss with the same bullet . Very comfortable to shoot. At close ranges the POI isn't enough different to matter--that's the load I shoot the most. I also use those plastic Speer practice rounds (primer powered) in my "man cave" with some old carpet as a bullet trap. Fun and all practice with your carry weapon is valuable. You might check out snubby guru Michael Bethancourt's videos on youtube--good stuff.
In terms of accuracy, it all depends on the shooter and how well he can handle the recoil, trigger control, flinching control and the grip he uses. Therefore, I would recommend the S&W 642/442 or the 638/438, the Ruger LCR and the Ruger SP-101. Of all these, the Ruger LCR has the best sights since they make a model with XS Sights factory installed on it. In terms of recoil handling, the Ruger SP-101 is heavier and can shoot .357 Magnum + .38 Special so you could load it with .38 Special and you would be able to shoot it more accurately.
Like others said, shoot a snubbie first before buying one because they can be snappy and painful to shoot. I am one of those "masochists" that love to shoot my snubbie. I shoot 50-100 rounds of standard practice ammo and 10 - 15 rounds of JHP per session. Sure, my hand is throbbing with pain afterwards but it is awesome!
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