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    is there a pistol with these features?

    Somebody asked me if there is such a pistol with these features?
    1) sized like the taurus pt-709 slim or kahr pm9
    2) DA/SA From DA firing, the gun cycles, it then goes to SA mode
    3) Decocker only and without safety lever.
    4) a glock like safe trigger action is a plus but not needed.

    Hope you guys could name em. Thanks bros. and sis.

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    Perhaps a Sig 239 in 9mm is what you are looking for. Although it is a bit larger.
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    Thanks for the prompt response buckeyeLCPL, you're right on the spot, nice suggestion, have thought about this P239, but I really prefer the size, to be close if not the same with kahr pm9 or taurus pt709. But the p239 will be my choice in case, I can't find any other, and besides, sigs are know for reliability and quality, so it better not fail on me when the time arises when needed.

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    Yup,as has already been said the SIG 239 comes closest to what you are asking for. And just my opinion, I never thought much of the Glock type trigger "safety".
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    Walther PPS has the Glock like trigger, and is roughly the same size. No DA/SA though.
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    Walther P99c AS

    Has all the features mentioned. Here's a nice review;
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=589971
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    I am going to go ahead and change this again!
    Be Advised that I just reviewed the 709 user manual and what I am going to say is actually in violation of Tarus's safety precautions. Even though it has worked for me. It is specifically stated that the internal lock should never be activated with a round chambered.

    That being said.

    If you activate then de activate the internal lock on the PT709 the action is "de-cocked" and the gun in DA/second strike mode. The down side is that a special safety type hex key is needed to actuate the lock and there is no way to "re-cock" except for firing or cycling the slide.
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    The CZ Rami 2075BD and the the Beretta PX4 Storm Sub-Compact will probably be the closest, even though they are double stack they're pretty small. Of course there's always the HKP2000SK.

    Looking at those options I'd probably take the CZ or the HK, I've never been a big Beretta fan.

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    The Walther P99c or S&W SW99c comes closest that I can think of to that small size with a DA/SA trigger with no safety. Another alternative would be a S&W CS9 which does have a safety that's also the decocker, but it's a bit smaller than the P99c though a tad heavier.
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    Here's a review of the S&W CS9 - Average Joe's Handgun Reviews

    Here's a short review I did of the P99c in .40s&w - Hidden Defense: Walther P99c; An Uncommon Choice
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    The CZ Rami, The Sig 250 or 239 all come pretty close. Its going to be hard to get all that in a PM9 sized frame.
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    CZ RAMI BD (BD is the decocker model) Great pistol. Although it's a double stack it's very small I love mine.
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    Thanks so much guys for the suggestions, I'll look into those pistols you've all recommended. And also take into consideration what you guys pointed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmy40 View Post
    I am going to go ahead and change this again!
    Be Advised that I just reviewed the 709 user manual and what I am going to say is actually in violation of Tarus's safety precautions. Even though it has worked for me. It is specifically stated that the internal lock should never be activated with a round chambered.

    That being said.

    If you activate then de activate the internal lock on the PT709 the action is "de-cocked" and the gun in DA/second strike mode. The down side is that a special safety type hex key is needed to actuate the lock and there is no way to "re-cock" except for firing or cycling the slide.
    I would simplify it be saying, "THE INTERNAL LOCK SHLOULD NEVER BE ACTIVATED AT ALL!" I have a PT709 and I have NEVER activated the IL on it. I actually forgot that it even had one. If I need it safe, I lock it in one of my safes. When travelling, I take a cable lock.
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