Is it impossible to write a 1911 article without the term, "no nonsense"?

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    Is it impossible to write a 1911 article without the term, "no nonsense"?

    I do believe every 1911 article I've ever read, and there are many, somewhere in them says something on the order of, "...this is a no nonsense gun...".

    So, I guess there are some 1911s out there that are nonsense?

    Another phrase I see, humorusly as it is, is usually in articles about the high end 1911s, although not restricted to them, is, "...no bells and whistles..." (usually preceeded with, the "no nonsense" phrase) and then they proceed to enumerate the features:

    Match grade barrel
    precision fitted barrel bushing
    extended thumb safety
    checkered front strap
    Novack sights
    light-weight skeletonized hammer
    carbon fiber trigger
    ambidextrious thumb safety
    some kind of special grip design out of some exotic material
    glass rod trigger break at 3.5 lbs
    lowered and flared ejection port
    beavertail grip safety (I had to come back and add this one - I forgot it)

    Did I leave anything out?

    So, if that's not bells and whistles, what is it they put on 1911s that rank as bells and whistles?

    Don't over-heat here guys, this is just some fun pokin' at gun writers and their cliches. I'm a big 1911 fan, so this is not a 1911 put down in any form or fashion.
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    I think of a "no bells and whistles" 1911 as a GI model, but that might just be me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL View Post
    I think of a "no bells and whistles" 1911 as a GI model, but that might just be me.
    ^This.

    Anything added after the first model is, by definition, a bell and/or whistle...

    (which mine have plenty of )

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    Do you get training wheels with the "bells' and whistles" model?
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    I dunno that Series 70 that I just finished working on had no shortage of nonsense. It was chock full of nonsense.

    None of which made much of any sense.

    I would agree with buckeye .45 that a correctly applied "No Bells & Whistles" 1911 would be a plain, straight, historic, Govt. Issue slab-side.

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    Sometimes you can't hear the bells over the sound of all the whistles. <~~~

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    To summarize this, it all just means "No Plastic."

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangle View Post
    I do believe every 1911 article I've ever read, and there are many, somewhere in them says something on the order of, "...this is a no nonsense gun...".

    So, I guess there are some 1911s out there that are nonsense?

    Another phrase I see, humorusly as it is, is usually in articles about the high end 1911s, although not restricted to them, is, "...no bells and whistles..." (usually preceeded with, the "no nonsense" phrase) and then they proceed to enumerate the features:

    Match grade barrel
    precision fitted barrel bushing
    extended thumb safety
    checkered front strap
    Novack sights
    light-weight skeletonized hammer
    carbon fiber trigger
    ambidextrious thumb safety
    some kind of special grip design out of some exotic material
    glass rod trigger break at 3.5 lbs
    lowered and flared ejection port
    beavertail grip safety (I had to come back and add this one - I forgot it)

    Did I leave anything out?

    So, if that's not bells and whistles, what is it they put on 1911s that rank as bells and whistles?

    Don't over-heat here guys, this is just some fun pokin' at gun writers and their cliches. I'm a big 1911 fan, so this is not a 1911 put down in any form or fashion.
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    I would think 'bells and whistles' would be something "useful" like 'rails for lights and such. But, I think that's way off the 'no nonsense' track; I don't know of any gun out there that 'needs' 'rails.

    Unless it's a P90. Which can't function without them. (Looking at a couple of those, it sometimes seems that the thing is held together with them. But I still want one. )
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    "Did I leave anything out?"
    Plenty more bells and whistles exist than those you have mentioned above.
    That is only a pittance of the bells and a smattering of the whistles of the available bells and whistles.
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    There's that new kit that lets you carry with the hammer down and when you turn the thumb safety off, the hammer cocks back. If that's not 'bells and whistles', then I don't know what is. The series 80 FPS is probably a bell or whistle. As far as your list, I don't think most of them are bells and whistles at this point.

    Match grade barrel (no, it's just a barrel)
    precision fitted barrel bushing (no, it's just a bushing that fits correctly)
    extended thumb safety (not unless it's ridiculous)
    checkered front strap (no, it doesn't change the function at all)
    Novack sights (no, you gotta have sights)
    light-weight skeletonized hammer (maybe)
    carbon fiber trigger (smells like bling, but I've never seen one)
    ambidextrious thumb safety (likely)
    some kind of special grip design out of some exotic material (not unless they're carbon fiber)
    glass rod trigger break at 3.5 lbs (no, nonsense!)
    lowered and flared ejection port (no)
    beavertail grip safety (not lately)

    Most of the things you have listed are more like upgrades that have stood the test of time and become standardized. The original design is like 100 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
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    "Did I leave anything out?"
    Plenty more bells and whistles exist than those you have mentioned above.
    That is only a pittance of the bells and a smattering of the whistles of the available bells and whistles.
    Oooh, aaaah. Pittance and smattering. Nicely done sir, nicely done.
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    I've seen enough articles in gun magazines that if I see the term "venerable" used in regard to the 1911 or 45.... AAAAHHHH. Gun writers, Stop it.

    I could make a list of annoying things in general about gun articles, including the overall predicitibility, typically not giving the pistol height, and downplay of any issues, but I'll save that for another thread.
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    Too funny and too true! Lets not forget the other cliche' phrase when talking about 1911's "it has everything you need and nothing you don't" when detailing a rediculous number of custom features on a 2-3 thousand dollar semi custom or custom built gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtflyerHK View Post
    Too funny and too true! Lets not forget the other cliche' phrase when talking about 1911's "it has everything you need and nothing you don't" when detailing a rediculous number of custom features on a 2-3 thousand dollar semi custom or custom built gun.
    Yep, that's another one. I guess some 1911s have some things we don't need, maybe a water cooler or something???
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