This is a discussion on Advice on three .40 S&W options. within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Venge My first gun was a 40. and I can tell you every gun shoots but they do not shoot the same ...
Oh, am definitely looking in the compact range of firearms. I have slender hands for a guy but the subcompacts are too small and the full size are ok but aren't as comfortable as I would like.
I also should add I won't touch a revolver. The cylinders have this nasty habit of wanting to pinch my hand, so I am a bit wary on that. I know all firearms have their own issues, but so does each shooter.
Brad, Your last couple of posts made me want to comment. First of all don't base your decision on statistics and one shot stop percentages, numbers lie and shouldn't play any part of your decision. Shot placement means more than caliber/power.
The mentality that you discuss about the legalities of firing any more than a double tap have no real world merit. If you fire one shot or fifty it's either going to be justified or not; there is no legal number of shots that makes you right or wrong. That said you are responsible for every bullet you fire. I highly recommend you get some professional training before carrying a firearm.
I mean the below comments in a posistive constructive way and not as a flame.
There is no way a revolvers "cylinders" should pinch your hands.
You may want to get some professional training to give you the correct introduction into shooting and carrying a handgun for personal protection.
The below site may be a good place to start.
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The P250 trigger is heavy and LLLLOOONNNGGGG. Sig got it wrong on this one, they are accurate but the trigger is horrible. The Kahr TP40 is a single stack and not really a popular gun, youwill have ahard time finding accessories.
The mid size Glocks are routinely considered some of the best allaround fighting handguns in the world. I think you would be very happy allaround with the G23. Lot sof ammo, lots of holsters and all kind of stuff. Go with it and you will only strta buying more Glocks. Great guns .
I will add though if you havent looked at them, you should look at the Sig Pro Lineup. The 2340 and 2022 are great shooters and can be found relatively cheap about anywhere you look. Summit Gunbroker has them for 365 with NS and two mags.
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Hey Brad, I would like to chime in, since I was in your shoes not too long ago.
I came here and did some research and really thought about what I wanted in my first Self Defense Handgun.
I debated the calibers, and also decided on the .40 for the same reasons you have decided on it. It had the best power to capacity ratio. I like how it shoots, too.
That said, here are the features that I wanted in my self defense .40 cal:
1) As large as I could carry comfortably. First, I looked at subcompacts, but decided I would want a little longer barrel to get on target easier, and I wanted a full grip for accuracy. I have a friend with a sub compact who only uses his extended magazine with a full grip (because the small grip is hard to hold). Since barrel length doesn't really compromise in IWB carry, I decided on either a compact or standard size gun with a normal sized grip. This also gives more ammo capacity.
2) I wanted some safety features. Not to rely on, but anything to help prevent an accidental or negligent discharge.
3) I wanted a polymer gun.
4) I wanted the right grip angle. I tried out several guns, and the glock angle was not for me. You may think the opposite.
5) I wanted tritium night sights (you know, the ones that glow in the dark). Lots of shootings happen at night, and these are a big bonus for a self defense gun.
6) Reliability. I wanted a gun that has been put through the ringer and comes out on top. Several guns made this cut, and I initially narrowed my choices down based on this factor.
7) I wanted a gun that I enjoyed to shoot / shoots well (for me).
In the end, I decided on the Springfield XD Service Model. I know it is not a gun on your initial list of choices, but it really had all of the features that I wanted in a self defense handgun. Multiple safety features (grip safety, trigger scissor safety, drop safety, striker indicator, chambered round indicator, ect). It covered all the bases that I listed, and I liked how it shot. I got the trijicon sights with it, installed, for about $70 extra. Anyways, I hope this helps you narrow your choices a little. The last piece of advice I can give is... Get a good holster and a decent belt and you will carry every day. With a good holster, you don't have to carry a tiny gun to be comfortable.
Nobody has fragile egos or wants to feel "macho." And yes I base my opinion on reason and experience because I learned with a .40 and Ive shot a 9mm. Zacii got it right. Its really up to the individual shooter.
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I purchased my first handgun a couple of years ago and it was a .40. All this talk about your first gun should be a 9mm or .22lr yada yada. Pick the caliber you want and roll with it. However, I'm not an expert!!!
When I took my CHL course we had a girl that was scared to death of guns and didn't even have one to qualify with so I let her use my M&P .40 and she scored a 235 out of 250 with it. She never said a word about recoil etc... She didn't know the difference. Perhaps she could of scored better with a 9 or smaller I don't know. I have been training with this 40 for about a year now and I still love it. Learning double and tripple taps with it was never an issue! I had a Baretta 92 Centurion in 9mm and I hated shooting it and was not accurate at all with it. I loved the feel of it but man I hated shooting that gun. Mainly because of the long trigger pull. Decide what you want, more rounds and less thump or more thump and less rounds. You can't go wrong with 9, .40, or .45!
Back to your original request. Of the 3 guns mentioned, I would go with a Glock. I would never own a Kahr!!! My buddy has the G23 and if you like the feel of it you will keep it forever! I chose my M&P .40 and M&P .40c because of the way it feels in my hand and the 5-6 lbs triggers! Not a hiccup one in either of them! Plus S&W is American customer service is second to none.
Glock 23!,I wasn't aware there were any other guns made.
Well, the reason for choosing the three options is due to size mainly. I do like the Springfields as well and certainly would consider them as well, and did check them out. The Sig SP2022 was one I eliminatedfor some reason. I am using statistics as one part of the process(numbers can lie yes, but are useful for getting a general idea), but also know comfort and training plays a large part. Those that assume I need more professional training are simply being fools......I know how to unlock a cylinder in a revolver but it pinches me due to the size of my hand. The only thing that bothers me about the Kahr is the low capacity mag, but I can work around that. I believe the other two are double stack options. I will post again later after I get back from my local dealer.
In all honesty, I wish I had started with a .40 or .45 for that matter. It would have cut down on buying a bunch of pistols and revolvers and the learning curve that goes with them. I could have spent the learning curve time and cost of ammo on what I carry now. Allbeit, I do have a nice collection of guns now... I think, in retrospect, I should have bought a Ruger SR40 first, a Springfield 1911 A1 in .45 and/or a Springfield XD40 and a S&W 442 or 637. My wife's SP-101 in .357 was a demand item.
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Ok, comfort test for the grip is complete(sorta anyway).
Glock 23: Ok but always feels a bit wide(though it could just be due to the shaping) in my hand.
Kahr TP40: Store did not have in stock, but they do have the CW40 which I assume has a similar grip but the CW40 is a bit light feeling.
Springfield XD Series: They did not have a .40 in stock but the .45 was a bit muzzle heavy, so I assume that would be the case with the .40 as well.
Sig Sauer P250 Compact: Fit my hand very well, and the weight was comfortable. Racking the slide was a bit difficult but that is not a major concern since you only use that for cleaning, clearing, and loading. Overall an excellent fit for me gripwise.
I automatically eliminated the Springfield due to the fact there was too much weight at the muzzle for me. The Kahr would probably be a good weight for me but until I can test it I won't know. The main ones I will probably look at are the Glock and the Sig, though I will be going to a range once I move(or before if I have to go out there before) to the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area and do a live fire test to test trigger pull and recoil on each of the three remaining options.