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FINALLY!!! Baby Eagle II, Full size (4.52) .40, Poly in my possession!

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  1. #16
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    Box it up!,send IWI a dirty e-mail,buy a GLOCK and be done!


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    Quote Originally Posted by glockrocker View Post
    Box it up!,send IWI a dirty e-mail,buy a GLOCK and be done!
    Yeeeahhhh...Not happenin'

    Not sending it back. 3 week lead time for inspection and repairs. I'll pay a gunsmith locally to deal with the feed issue.

    Not buying a Glock for the same reason I will never own an i-Thing.
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    UPDATE:

    Dropped off Polly (now named) at a local "At Home" gunsmith recommended by my local preferred FFL. Guy builds guns, and is a 1911 specialist. Got a tour of his basement/shop, albeit clustered (I can relate) seems to know his stuff.

    Didn't even flinch, probably get to it on Tuesday. $30 - $50 to fix the FTF.

    Looked at the sights and cussed the assembly. Both front and rear sights are off xx thousandths one way or the other (my eye is only calibrated to hundredths). He'll center and zero them, and adjust for me if needed when he is done. Should have asked the cost on that one, but it's academic, it needs done.

    Probably going to turn my primary over to him when I get Polly back to re-finish. Now have to decide on Gunkote, or Hard Chrome (was going to dura coat, not in his basket). That is going to run me $180 - $225. Might even have him give her a tune up (8K round overhaul). That will be a whole 'nother thread.

    Will give another range report when done.
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    UPDATE:

    Dropped off Polly (now named) at a local "At Home" gunsmith recommended by my local preferred FFL. Guy builds guns, and is a 1911 specialist. Got a tour of his basement/shop, albeit clustered (I can relate) seems to know his stuff.

    Didn't even flinch, probably get to it on Tuesday. $30 - $50 to fix the FTF.

    Looked at the sights and cussed the assembly. Both front and rear sights are off xx thousandths one way or the other (my eye is only calibrated to hundredths). He'll center and zero them, and adjust for me if needed when he is done. Should have asked the cost on that one, but it's academic, it needs done.

    Probably going to turn my primary over to him when I get Polly back to re-finish. Now have to decide on Gunkote, or Hard Chrome (was going to dura coat, not in his basket). That is going to run me $180 - $225. Might even have him give her a tune up (8K round overhaul). That will be a whole 'nother thread.

    Will give another range report when done.

    Here is a scan of a couple of targets from the range.

    20 rounds from Polly (BE II) and another 20 from my primary (BE I) at 15 yards.

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    20 rounds from Polly alone

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    Hope it works out fo you in the end. I also have an affinity for the Baby Eagle/Jericho line. I've just always had fears of finding spare parts, accessories, and dealing with an importer instead of the manufacturer.

    I just handled a steel Baby Eagle .45 yesterday at the shop, what a nice looking and feeling piece!

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    Have a total of 4 in the family now. Polly is the only one that has issues. The other 3 will eat anything they are fed, accurate and reliable. Either I got lucky, or the only time anyone posts anything about the Baby Eagle, anywhere, is when they have problems. Unfortunate. The quality of the Baby Eagle rivals the CZ (it is a clone after all).
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    Well, I finally got Polly back from the gunsmith. As usual when you take a thing to a person that repairs them, the problem goes away. Fortunately I opted to try out the feeding from slide lock, and on the second attempt - Hooraah - FTF! This got a perplexed look form the gunsmith who claimed to have test fired it along with his two other coworkers and could not experience the issue.

    I disassembled my primary carry and explained (again) that when I switch barrels between the two, the problem moves over to my primary. He closely examined the two barrels and noticed that the machining on the Polly barrel is significantly different, and is dangerously close to lacking support on the rear of the case when in battery. He polished the feed ramp to remove a slight burr, which made no change in the FTF problem. In short - nothing he can do. He advised me to send it back to Magnum Research to have them replace the barrel.

    He did align/zero the front and rear sights and claims she is now DOBA (Dead On Balls Accurate).

    Magnum Research's policy on returned firearms:
    If you would like to return your firearm to us for service you will simply need to send it to our service and repair facility:

    Magnum Research Inc
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    Pillager, MN 56473

    Enclose a note outlining the issues you are experiencing and any other information you feel would be helpful to us in diagnosing the issue. Also, please include your contact information and return shipping information. Once the repairs are done, we will contact you regarding payment on any non-warranty repairs.

    Estimated turn around time on repairs is 3-weeks.
    The highlighted portion makes me nervous, and I would call bad business.

    I am forced to wonder if by having the pistol taken to a gunsmith and having the ramp polished if my warranty is now VOID.

    Will be making a call on Monday to confirm, and price a replacement barrel.

    I am going to swap out the barrels today and shoot this months IDPA (just because I can, and I want to shoot her).

    More to come...
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    Well, I shot the match with Polly and my old barrel. I have to say that it was a real pleasure to shoot with no failures (exception - one round did not go into battery, but the entire match was weak hand or strong hand only, I likely limp wristed it).

    Accurate now that the sights are aligned, very comfortable, and I was pleasantly surprised to find that I could easily operate the safety, mag release, and slide release left handed during reloads, my steel ones are a little awkward, might have something to do with the thinner grip on Polly.

    Well, gotta clean her and swap the barrels out again to get back to CC.

    I'll update again after I talk with Magnum Research about the factory barrel.
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    UPDATE:

    OK, a lot has happened.

    The gunsmith took it to the range for some test firing and could not duplicate the problem (as with all things malfunctioning when taken to a service professional). When I went to pick it up and got the report, I took the mag out of my carry, inserted and tried to load from slide lock...FTF. Thank the gods. This got a perplexed look from the gunsmith and had me hand over Polly and my spare mag as well. He tried it and the same thing happened several times. Loaded up one of the factory mags and got the same result. "It does not like your SD ammo." I offered up a factory target round, one of my reloads and had him try it...same thing. He then rummaged through one of his loose round boxes for a variety of .40 rounds in different bullet configs and got the same thing.

    Now he starts to get to work inspecting it. I dissembled my carry and handed him the barrel from it. Right away he could see the difference in the barrels.

    Evidently the ramp and chamber was machined right to the max and a little steep in the factory barrel for Polly. The support on the bottom of the case was what the gunsmith called, "Iffy" and he did not dare do anything other than a light polishing (which did no good). He told me to send it back to the factory and he'd bet they would drop a new barrel in it, no questions.

    I'll skip the whole lack of communication and shipping saga.

    I got the gun back, again on a Friday right before my IDPA match. Replaced barrel, no charge. I did some test cambering and everything seemed OK.

    Saturday I made it through one stage at the match then the FTF started up again

    Nobody had any factory ammo to swap so I decided that I was going to go out and actually buy some ammo (first time in 3 years) in a variety of flavors and see if I still have a weapon problem, or a picky eater (does not like my reloads).

    I did some research on a Baby Eagle forum, and it was recommended to try the DPM recoil reduction system (progressive recoil spring & rod).

    40 rounds each of Remington UMC, Winchester White Box, Federal Premium, and Ten X (made in Wyoming, gun range ammo/store brand). I started out with 10 rounds of my reloads and had no problem. The UMC and Federal Premium were fine too. Absolutey did not like the Ten X (refused to load from one of the new mags, and needed encouragement from the others) and almost as bad with the Winchester. I took a look at the chamber and noticed it was getting a little fouled so I did a quick wipe with the corner of my shirt (I meant to bring some bore patches...oops) and fired the rest off with no problems.

    SO, I think the DPM spring helped quite a bit, and I have a tight chamber that will give me attitude with a little fouling. May need some break in abuse or polishing. I did notice that the rounds do fit a little looser than in the original barrel, not quite as loose as my carry, but better.

    Still grouping low and left (not nearly as bad as the first range session), regardless of minor adjustments to my grip, and return to target is not as smooth as I would like. Hopefully that will go away as I get used to it.

    If I can get through the next IDPA match with no failures I will start carrying it. Realistically, all I should be concerned with is the cold shot (on target) and the first mag if not just the next few rounds. The odds of my ever getting in to an extended shootout are slim to never. I already know that my spare mag is nothing more than a counter weight given the short grit free life span given my work environment. It would be nice to get through a match failure free though.

    SO...until my next match (Oct. 8)...
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    Hmm... Note to self: Do not buy a poly baby eagle for SD.

    Sounds like you have been through a lot with this firearm. Hope things start to smooth out for you.

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    I'll promote their steel versions till the cows come home, but their polly versions....I dunno.

    Might just be me as every gun that I have ever bought sight unseen, I have had issues with.
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    Wow, you have had a tough time with your new pistol. Good luck
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    I just purchased a BE full size steel frame .40. I am having the the same FTF issues. I have been using Speer Lawman and Speer hollow points,both produce the same problems. I have put approximately 400 rds thru the gun. Feed ramp and breech face were both polished. The FTFs have reduced but still getting about 5 per 100 rds. I want try a few more things before sending back to Magnum Research. Any suggestions? Sticks... did you ever resolve the issue completely? As an LEO and firearms/armorer, the malfunction rate is not acceptable for anything that may be carried on or off duty.

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    Mine went back to Magnum Research, and they dropped in a new barrel, which helped a little. I think they changed barrel suppliers, or did a spec change as the replacement still had some of the same problems, not as bad but still there. There is still a noticeable difference between my 2005 barrel, and the new one.

    Give Magnum Research a chance to make it right first. They are a darn fine gun, and reliable if everything is in line. When you get it back, and still have issues, find a gunsmith that has experience with Tanfoglios and CZs to take a look at it.

    I went with a stronger recoil spring, and now she is reliable. Wolff springs sells a 5 pack (IIRC) of various recoil spring weights for the BE. I'd go that route (I need to for one of my others).
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    Thanks. I guess I've been spoiled by the Glocks and S&Ws I've shot at work over the last 25 yrs. I've had more FTFs in the last week than i did in the last 25 yrs. I really do like the gun, great ergonomics but have to get the feeding problem fixed before I'd consider carrying it off duty. I did have the Wolf Springs kit on order already. Thanks again for the advice.

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