This is a discussion on Why you should carry one in the chamber! within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Breathe in... Breathe out..., Breathe in... Breathe out. I just realized who I've been talking to in all these posts. Should have known better....
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I just realized who I've been talking to in all these posts.
Should have known better.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
Just wondering, is this going to become a weekly topic?
Agree with JD. However I will say that this is getting ridiculous. Its just as bad as the open carry vs concealed carry argument, theres both sides of the argument. you are both right as far as your beliefs. If thats how he wants to carry, its not my business
"The value you put on the lost will be determined by the sacrifice you are willing to make to seek them until they are found."
I hope for the best for everyone and that noone ever has to draw their weapon to defend themselves or anyone else for that matter.
Grace & Peace,
If you want to carry w/empty chamber its your right, go for it
If you want to carry w/loaded chamber its your right, go for it
now for my $0.02......
Coming from a person that carries a gun every day at work, every day off-duty, and 99% of the time at home (its on the table next to my laptop as I type this), I carry chambered on-duty (required), off-duty, and with my backup strapped on my vest. I've been in foot chases, high-speed pursuits with very rough driving, and been involved in fights rolling around on the ground with dirtbags. The duty G17 in the holster and Keltec P11 (or S&W 642) strapped to my vest have never discharged (neither has the G30 off-duty). If you carry a high-quality weapon and not some piece of crap, AND follow the 4 rules...the ND thing will not be an issue.
I've had to draw my pistol numerous times, some being in high-risk/adrenaline pumping situations. Every time I needed it drawn NOW and get on target ASAP ready to fire! In a SD situation I would not want to have my brain having to cycle/compute, or get stuck in the OODA loop, in having to chamber a round while facing a threat and reacting to what it is doing, etc.
Take that for what you will from a person doing this stuff on an almost daily basis and that has had training in unarmed/martial arts, firearms, and tactics SD training. I'm way more concerned with getting a hot weapon out and on target than I'm worrying about a ND.
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If loose gun laws are good for criminals why do criminals support gun control?
That being the case, I assume you also walk around all day wearing body armor? Do you also keep a gas mask around on you at all times in case of a terrorist attack? I think all of us draw a line at how well we want to defend ourselves and decide how much risk and discomfort we want to take.
Ummmmmm wow how do I respond to that how about YES. I wear 36 pounds of body armor on daily basis, I have slept in body armor and helmet, I carry an AK-47 and a sidearm with extra mags because I am prepared for whatever might happen. Sorry they don't issue gas masks here but if they did I would carry it.
You do whatever you think you can handle or in this case not handle. Just as someone else said I hope you get a polite, understanding, criminal because if not you are screwed.
"A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013
Problem two, you think we all believe that any defensive situation we might encounter will result in us killing someone. Again, this belief speaks for itself. And doesn't help your case at all.
Problem three, you seem way, WAY too confident in your martial arts skills. You talk ALOT about them. I'm not saying you are lieing, I'm simply saying that it has been my experience that guys, especially young guys, who talk alot about how good of a shot they are or how good at martial arts they are tend to be not good at either and often have no experience at all with either. I'm just letting you know the impression you are giving to me, and maybe a few others here. Plus, I have seen guys who had black belts get their butts handed to them fast in street fights. Most scum bags really don't care if you are Bruce Lee.
2 How about how you'd do with bloody hands?
3 Keep thinking about it. If you still can't come up with any ask, I'm sure the more learned members here can provide you with several.
4 Again, the omnipotent aspect. In a "riskier" part of town you may not have time to draw and chamber but in the "nicer" parts of town, that won't be a problem. I'm glad you can see the future so clearly. It must make picking lottery numbers very easy.
Good, Lord, Almighty.
The absurd, hypothetical, flip side of the coin is why don't you carry unloaded? Similarly to carrying without a round in the chamber, carrying completely unloaded is clearly the safest method and only adds one more step to the process. The vast majority of people probably wouldn't recognize that a gun is missing a magazine when drawn and pointed at them if your intent is just to 'scare them off'.
The purpose of a gun is to kill an aggressor. If it de-escalates the situation prior to the need for deadly force; wonderful! But always be prepared for that high end: to stop an aggressor by killing them.
Mental preparation is key in this regard: Can you kill some nameless thug on the street trying to kill you? Can you kill your own dog if it's attacking you? If your brother or sister or spouse is coming after you with deadly force would you lay down and let them kill you or would you kill them first? It's a little messed up to think about someone close to you trying to kill you but it is completely NOT beyond the realm of possibilities. I can only imagine most of the stories in the news are full of people who say things like "I never thought it could happen to me," but it did.
Just like the Boy Scouts: Be Prepared.
I've been hit hard enough in a fight to lose consciousness, fall and regain it a split second before my face hit the ground. Recovering was very, very difficult, my entire memory of the event was swimming, and scrambling to hang in there was no joke. I hope if you fully intend to place the weight of your personal well being on your ability to handle yourself with a martial arts focus, that you really can muster the kind of resolve to survive and win. I do not trust my size, strength, ability or resolve to win as being sufficient to defend myself, so I carry a gun. And I carry it ready to use.
So I hope I've cleared that up.. even if I carried my gun chambered 100% of the time, I'm still not likely to go for it in a surprise-attack. There just isn't time.
Lets talk about some other situations. Lets say there is one guy with a gun and there are two victims. Even with very minimal training (just 2 or 3 classes) somebody will know how to get the muzzle of that gun out of their face. Even if they can't do anything but that, and they can just hold onto the bad guys wrist for a few seconds, the second victim can jump in to help immobilize the bad guy. Another thing to consider, a lot of people say that the bad guy will start hitting you with his other hand, etc. And yes, this can happen. But usually it doesn't, at least not until he has time to think about it. A bad guy needs his weapon. As soon as he realizes his hold on that weapon is in danger, his primary response is to regain control of that weapon so he's going to be tugging his arm in a reactionary response. After a couple of seconds, if he still hasn't regained his weapon, he may start pounding you with his other fist, going for a knife in his pocket, etc. But when you take him by surprise, he's not going to have a planned response like you had. You have a couple of seconds to make your move.
Truth be told.... I hope never to use or need any of these things. I think prevention is really the key to self defense. That means staying away from where the crime is as much as possible, and even when crime comes to you - try to have a heightened sense of awareness. The criminal type who likes surprise attacks will probably avoid me because I'm constantly looking around and making eye contact with people. I avoid walking close to objects that might allow somebody to be hiding behind it. So unless somebody attacks me while I'm signing a credit card receipt in wal-mart, or when I'm sitting in the cinema watching a movie, it is unlikely to happen. Not to say that I won't be attacked, but I just don't think it would be a surprise attack. It looks like we all have slightly different ideas about how to protect ourselves when it happens, but surely we can all agree on this point that prevention is the best tactic.
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