Glock Customization Feedback Needed
This is a discussion on Glock Customization Feedback Needed within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I am ready to buy a Glock 20SF 10mm but I would like to get it with a Stainless Steel barrel and slide, and maybe ...
August 9th, 2011 10:26 PM
Glock Customization Feedback Needed
I am ready to buy a Glock 20SF 10mm but I would like to get it with a Stainless Steel barrel and slide, and maybe also the guide rod or guide rod with recoil spring assembly. I have been looking at Lone Wolf parts on rockyourglock.com and other similar sites. Are there are any other manufacturers I should know or consider?
I would like to get some expert opinions before I do this.
The most important consideration in my mind is quality. I don't want to downgrade or in any way negatively affect the quality, reliability and performance of the original pistol. Any one has had this done to his/her Glock? What are the best parts for this type of customization? What's the best place/website to have this done? I would appreciate any feedback.
I would love to see pictures from anyone who had this done.
August 9th, 2011 10:26 PM
August 9th, 2011 10:28 PM
The only Glocks I have ever seen fail were customized. Why exactly would you want to downgrade perfection?
August 9th, 2011 10:34 PM
I don't and I won't. If it makes the gun worst I won't. I know nothing about this; that's why I appreciate comments from people who know such as yours.
Originally Posted by Yankeejib
August 9th, 2011 10:42 PM
August 9th, 2011 11:20 PM
All I do is Trijicon night sights.
I am no expert.
August 9th, 2011 11:24 PM
I added a trigger. It didn't really do all that much.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and Ió
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
August 9th, 2011 11:54 PM
The only way you're really gonna see an improvement is if you get a match barrel and have it hand fit by someone that knows what they're doing. When I carried glocks the only thing I did was put on sights and install a vickers mag release on a gen 3 gun. I'd leave the trigger alone unless it's going to be a gaming gun.
I collect ammo, not guns.
August 10th, 2011 12:53 AM
Are you planning on this being a carry gun or a range gun/safe queen?
Originally Posted by TonyDTrigger
I'd be very very careful on the customization list if it's going to be carried, as at the very least it's time wasted that a good lawyer is spending debunking the myths a prosecuting attorney is trying to spread to the jury to make you look bad to get a win, don't want a good shoot to be side tracked by claim of intent with your "suped up" handgun.
If it's for the range, Stainless slide is cosmetic, but if the tolerances are the same theoretically no change (is it replacement or a look alike treatment to a Glock factory slide?, how it's made might affect the durability in the multiples of tens of thousands of rounds, breach face being my biggest concern. Slide weight change might complicate things. The barrel and slide you give up the tenifer durability, this includes protection from rust due to sweat humidity ocean air etc. if it's a range gun, it should be fine in the safe and extra care can be taken to protect the condition of the metal, same as with a 1911 for instance. What specifically are you looking at for recoil springs? The Glock is designed around recoil operation and changing that speed can cause issues (just ask those with the first round of gen4 recoil springs shooting light load 9mms), change the speed and you might be ok, you make create a whole headache of issues on the extraction and feeding side of things. Stainless guide rod on a polymer frame, where the frame is thinner, after several thousand rounds that might start to seriously worry me with the extra pressure from a different hardness material could be causing frame stress and abrasion. Glock is very much (though not completely) a polymer to polymer, metal to metal design. But if your slide weight is significantly different you may need to change the recoil spring to get the slide speed right, it's always going to be at the very least a multiple variable algebra problem.
Nothing flags as you put it on and the gun all of the sudden won't work, after all it is a Glock. The recoil spring to a non factory spec raises the biggest concern, but aftermarket suppliers have large crowds and do their own bit of R&D; but just like modifying a car, the more you change the more you deviate from the design the higher your risk gets over the long term. If it's a range gun that sees a few hundred rounds a year, is well kept and you enjoy it then no big deal and a decade from now you may want to change it up anyways; if it's an everyday carry gun, my personal concerns are cause of thought if not an outright walk away from it. I am of the Glock Perfection crowd, I think that 20 years of engineering R&D and hundreds of thousands of field tested guns says something. From my armorers course, I understand why different things were done in the design. I stick to factory connectors, NY trigger springs, I prefer the grooves and curve of the Target Trigger with trigger bar, and a few select night sight options, light and laser and there is nothing else I could want; I know not everyone agrees with that and you may decide to chunk my opinion because I'm disclosing this bias, but I am trying to provide a more comprehensive opinion than Glock = Perfection end of story.
What are your end goals to accomplish with the mods, is it just to looks or is there a performance gain you are seeking? Softer shooting? Faster cycling? Have the barrel settle down on target faster? Change the balance of the gun in your hand? Links with specs to the exact parts you're looking at?
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August 10th, 2011 01:23 AM
I think the first thing you should look at is maybe an aftermarket barrel with a fully supported chamber for shooting full house 10mm loads. I went with a Lonewolf barrel. Could not be more happy with it.
Second thing I would suggest for your 10mm is maybe a Wolff Recoil Rod, with a 22 lb spring. Other than that, I would keep it stock until you figure out what works for you.
At the same time, unless you are a re-loader (and are wanting to push the 10mm to it's limits), or are planning on running nitrous 10mm rounds, aka Double Tap, or Swamp Fox loads through your gun.....then the above mentioned mods are not necessary. The majority of 10mm rounds on the market are pretty watered down.
Here is my 2nd gen 20:
August 10th, 2011 07:54 AM
^^ this. What's the purpose of the gun?
Originally Posted by canav844
I picked up a G23 a couple months back. Here's what I changed:
- Glock factory extended slide release
- 8# trigger connector (factory is 5# - I wanted the extra idiot proofing)
- Night sights
- About 500 rounds of ammo at this point
I bought it for carry purposes when I feel that my LCR doesn't have enough boom to go around, and it also serves as my nightstand gun (I should add that I also got a TLR-1 for nightstand duties, though that's not exactly a mod).
Do this: Buy the G20, then run a few hundred rounds through it. If it's got deficiencies (which it probably won't), then fix them. If it's a carry gun, I wouldn't touch an aftermarket recoil spring with a ten foot pole. Barrel? Maybe, but likely only if I didn't like the accuracy or I was trying to change the caliber (or attach a supressor/flash hider/comp/other tacticool lump of metal).
G23 4g + Palmetto Tactical Gear full kydex + Crown Holsters tuckable IWB clips
Ruger 10/22 + safe
S&W 15-22 + safe
Stag Arms M8 + closet
August 10th, 2011 08:01 AM
The factory GLOCK barrels already are the equivalent of "Match Grade" barrels.
You will not shoot better than a factory GLOCK barrel. They ARE some of the finest and most precise and accurate factory barrels in a production firearm. I say that giving credit where credit is due...me...being a Colt 1911 guy.
The only reason that I would "swap out" a factory GLOCK barrel for an "aftermarket" would be to shoot LEAD reloads.
But, (of course) the factory barrels are not Stainless.
Probably your very best (& as a huge plus) least expensive option would be to have the existing excellent quality factory GLOCK slide and barrel refinished in satin Industrial Hard Chrome or Electroless Nickel and then just add a high quality aftermarket guide rod.
Now...you could go for one of the TSD Combat Systems Non-Reflective Stainless Finish Slide/barrel with the machined in optical Red Dot rear sight for a mere $1299.99
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August 10th, 2011 08:53 AM
Like Yankeejib said,change Glocks original design,it starts to fail,There is a guy on E-bay who will polish the original slide and barrel,looks like stainless,but still has the tenifer in the metal,best of both worlds.
August 10th, 2011 11:39 AM
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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With great power comes great responsibility.-Stan Lee
August 10th, 2011 11:52 AM
I own 13 or 14 Glocks, in 9mm, .40 and 10mm. As an inveterate gun tinkerer and a long-time carrier and match shooter, I think that there are things most Glocks do need as enhancements. Here's what I usually do on one I intend to carry: 3.5 lb. connector with NY-1 trigger return module (gives a more DA-like pull of around 6-7lbs and less felt overtravel), steel sights (either tritium dot front and Novak rear or all-black Novaks), and sometimes, a steel recoil spring guide rod. Does a Glock necessarily "need" these to make it fit to carry? Of course not. Do these additions enhance the gun? For me, you betcha! And, there is absolutely no reason why any of these minor mods should make it less reliable.
On a match gun, I usually add the 3.5 lb. connector with standard trigger spring, and on either match or carry guns, I polish a number of internal engagement surfaces. And yes, a Bar-Stobarrel, properly fitted , WILL make it more accurate without sacrificing reliability, but factory Glock barrels are already lots more accurate than most shooters.
August 10th, 2011 09:34 PM
Honestly I just like the 2 tone look.
Originally Posted by canav844
Not for carry, too big. The 20sf will be for HD. Any simpler alternatives? I am leaning towards just getting night sights. I could get a G29SF with the extra $$ I save. Nice comments, thx.
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