This is a discussion on Glocks within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; SEALs, SAS, DHS, Coast Guard, NCIS, and other elite forces and agencies choose SIG. Why? Glock seems to be more popular than SIG with others, ...
SEALs, SAS, DHS, Coast Guard, NCIS, and other elite forces and agencies choose SIG. Why? Glock seems to be more popular than SIG with others, because of durability and reliability. If this were true, I don't understand why these "organizations" wouldn't choose the more durable and reliable of the two. I honestly like both weapons, but I would like to hear everyone else's opinion, as I'm sure others wonder the same thing.
Welcome to the DC Forum from Delaware! Delaware State Police carry SIG, they look at the money, must be getting a deal on the SIG's?
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Remember that equipment may have political issues attached. Remember the US wanted some bases in Italy. They said no. The US issued Berettas and if by magic, we got the bases. Also although issed does not mean carried, Some units have a ton of leway.
Pure politics. Also one sets the standard for the other (For example, Coast Guard is way down the pecking order). I wouldn't be surprised if they standardized on Taurus.
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They are waiting on Chuck Taylor to conclude his Glock torture test. Last I heard he as around 300,000 rounds. They may have enough info to make a decision by 500,000 or so.
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Because they have the money to carelessly spend most likely
It seems SIG is on the outs...
U.S. GAO - B-402339.3, Sig Sauer, Inc., July 23, 2010
"ATF, a principal law enforcement agency within the Department of Justice, seeks to replace its current metal-frame handguns with a new .40 caliber, polymer-frame handgun system. This system consists of two handguns, which are issued to each ATF agent: a standard-size duty weapon for enforcement operations and a compact model for backup and auxiliary needs; the two models are in all other respects required to be identical in function and design. RFP, Statement of Work (SOW), at 22. The SOW stated detailed design and performance specifications, describing the exact features and performance characteristics required.
At issue here is the live-fire testing by a cross-section of ATF agents, which was identified in the RFP as the most important among the four parts of the phase II testing, described above. RFP at 63. Under this test, 20 ATF agents with diverse skill levels, physical size, and right- or left-handedness were to evaluate each of the handguns that were submitted. Each agent evaluated the sample handguns first by firing 100 rounds of familiarity shooting, then twice firing 50 rounds for the pistol qualification course (PQC) test, and finally field stripping, cleaning and reassembling each type of handgun. For each handgun, the agent completed a questionnaire assigning adjectival ratings (excellent, very good, good, fair, or unsatisfactory) and providing narrative under the following categories: safety, reliability, accuracy, ergonomics and adaptability, suitability of size or weight, ease of cleaning and assembly, and overall assessment as a pistol for general issue to ATF agents.
In addition to the agents' rating sheets, a record was kept of any stoppages or malfunctions that occurred during the live fire testing. These records show that ATF's agents recorded 58 stoppages with Sig Sauer's full-size and compact pistols, 13 of which were considered to be gun-induced and 45 shooter-induced. Id., Tab 2, Competitive Range Determination, at 3. In contrast, the agents recorded a total of 16 shooter‑induced stoppages for Smith & Wesson's guns and 7 shooter-induced stoppages for Glock's guns. There were no gun-induced stoppages recorded for the Smith & Wesson or Glock guns. Id., Tab 8, Contracting Officer's Smith & Wesson Evaluation Summary, and Tab 9, Contracting Officer's Glock Evaluation Summary.
The shooters' phase II evaluations of the offerors' handgun systems were provided to the agency's source selection board (SSB). See Declaration of SSB Chair, Feb. 2, 2010, at 2. According to the SSB chair, "[i]t was determined that any weapon that displayed numerous gun-induced or shooter-induced malfunctions was not suitable for agents to depend on to protect their lives." Id. at 3. Based on the results of the shooting tests, the SSB recommended to the contracting officer that Sig Sauer's handgun be excluded from further consideration as unacceptable with respect to reliability. The contracting officer reviewed the SSB's consensus reports and agreed with the recommendation that Sig Sauer's proposal should be excluded from phase III, based upon the number of stoppages recorded for Sig Sauer's handguns. AR, B-402339.3, Tab 2, Competitive Range Determination, at 1."
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As others have said, it's money and politics. Who's willing to do what and for how much when procurement time comes around. There are several police departments that switched from Glock to the S&W M&P pistols because they got a good price and S&W supplied the holsters free of charge.
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Could it be the military requires second strike capability?
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Money has a lot to do with it, but all those agencies are federal agencies which will get a huge discount. My last rotation to Afghanistan all the Seals I ran into "which were a lot" all carried Glocks. Military Special Operation Forces, we pretty much do what they want. Both platforms are outstanding in reliability and durability and its more just personal preference as to which one someone would want to carry. BTW you forgot the Secret Service, Army CID, Air Force OSI along with a bunch of other Federal Agencies that have SIGs on their authorized usage list.
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