This is a discussion on Thinking about Crimson Trace for my LCP within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SIXTO Take the same cash, buy ammo. Go to therange and learn to point shoot it. No new holsters, no extra weight ...
waste of money, as much use as the chips you can buy online for $39.95 that claim to add 100 BHP to my LS2
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
Aim small, miss small.
A laser helps you aim small, while under stress, in low light.
Everyone talks about the importance of shot placement with pistols (which are all underpowered), yet there are those who continue to poo-poo lasers.
Point shooting is a necessary skill, but you will never be as accurate hitting the vitals in low light while under stress as you would be if you had a laser. I witnessed this first hand at the low light pistol class I took. The other students (who were all using full sized fighting pistols) had targets that looked like they were hit by buckshot, with hits all over the target - and OFF the target. And this was with most of the shooting done from only the 5 and 7 yard (!) line. With my bitty laser-equipped LCP, I was able to out-shoot everyone there. No - I'm not some olympic shooter. Credit goes to the laser.
Bottom line - I've seen what they can do, and I will have a CT laser on any defensive handgun I own.
The more good folks carry guns, the fewer shots the crazies can get off.
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Usual carry - Ruger SP101 .357 DAO snub + LCR .38
Count me in the CT camp, also. I was given a 638 that pointed one way and shot another. I figured I was pulling my shots, but the sights on a J frame are a joke anyway so I figured I'd try the CT grip as a training aid if nothing else. I also found some excellent training videos on the CT website and integrated some of their techniques in my training. I found the CT to be absolutely instinctive and a perfect complement for the type of situation a J frame is most likely to be used in.
CT doesn't make a laser grip for my third gen Smiths, but I had become such a believer that I adopted a different model CT laser for my 6906 and 908 and I'm working on one for my CS9. What I found really interesting was that while I was modifying the grips my dear wife looked over my shoulder to see what I was doing. When I demonstrated how the red dot lined up with the iron sights the little light came on over her head and she got interested and suggested she might actually like to shoot the next time we go to the range. To me, that alone is worth the price of the laser. We guys might take sight picture for granted, but some women - who are already hesitant about guns - might not understand some of the terms we use when we tell them to line up the sights or something. They can understand put the red dot where you want the hole.
As for not being visiable in bright sunlight, my experience has been just the opposite. Last weekend I playing with it hitting targets more than 100 feet away in full bright noontime sunlight. Someone must need new batteries. And the laser GRIPS - not the clunky add on laser things - fit any holster I own.
I think if the first gun had a laser sight, we'd be having this discussion about why iron sights are needed. <G>
YMMV, but I'm a believer.
A laser equipped handgun is great for the [low light] range. It will expose how much grip shake you really have and it'll demonstrate bench rest handgun accuracy, assuming the device will maintaiin POA.
But it's completely worthless for quick CQB self-defense scenario. It's kinda like placing a laser on a knife, bat or brick
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Since this thread was started another laser option is now available for the Ruger LCP, the Lasermax model. It looks like a good product. Here is a link:
LCP-LaserMax-Laser-Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc.
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I can't see the drawback in having something that increases low light accuracy. If under attack and don't have time to use the laser, then it won't matter if it's there; its presence doesn't hinder point & shoot capability whatsoever.
No internal lock or magazine disconnect on my pistols!