This is a discussion on Close to buying a 45 for carry, would like input within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I will never again own a 1911 with a shorter than 4.25" barrel. I have owned two and both jammed from the very FIRST shot. ...
I will never again own a 1911 with a shorter than 4.25" barrel. I have owned two and both jammed from the very FIRST shot. I was at a loss and sold both convinced that I had just been incredibly unlucky and gotten a "LEMON" twice. Then years ago I exchanged a series of snail mail letters with the late Jeff Cooper and he opined that he'd heard much the same thing from other parts of the country even going so far as to suggest that the 1911 design became inherently flawed when shortened beyond 4.25" as it's recoil time for the abbreviated barrel is too short to reliably extract the empty and still reload a new cartridge. I've owned a Springfield Micro and a Para P10. Both felt awesome in my hand and were easy to carry. Jeff Cooper's final letter on the subject mirrored what he wrote in his column for Guns & Ammo later. He had heard of too many problems and would probably never buy a short 45 for himself. My current 1911 carry is a Sig 1911 RCS with a seven round mag. My other carry preference is a Glock M30 short frame with the 10rd mag in the gun and a M21 13rd mag as the spare.
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I've heard a lot about how unreliable short-barreled 1911's are. Don't tell that to a Detonics I know.
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I've had a full size 1911 that was very reliable (RIA GI model), but I found I just never carried it and .45 was too expensive for a range gun. It just sat in the safe, so I sold it. I then bought a Glock 30, and I loved the way it shot and handled the round, but the slide was just too thick for me to carry IWB. So I sold it. I bought a Taurus PT845, and I liked the features and ergos, but I didn't shoot it worth squat and was much bigger than I was used to carrying. So I traded it for a Glock 36. It handles the round well, it is easy to carry, and functions flawlessly. I shoot it a few inches left, so I won't carry it until I have time to really work it out at the range.
My EDC is a Springfield XD40sc and I have over 1,000 rounds through it. From 25 feet I can consistently rapid fire in a 2" pattern. 9+1 of Speer gold dot JHP and six total mags (usually carry 2 extra on my person), I'm probably not going to replace my .40 with anything else as my EDC.
Caliber only matters to a certain point, and after that point of minimal SD effectiveness your ability with the round or weapon carries far more weight IMO. I shoot my .40 great and it has sufficient capacity. I'm in no hurry (if ever) to replace it with my compact G36 in .45 unless I am able to obtain the same level of proficiency and confidence in it. I also have several 9mms that I feel very comfortable and confident in carrying. Depending on the situation, I carry them with confidence as well. I also carry snubnosed 5 shot revolvers in either .38 or .357. I've shot the tar out of them and know I can put rounds where they need to be. It is more about what you can do with a certain weapon than the caliber.
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I love the .45 ACP (& .45 Colt ), and I do think caliber matters. I've been very impressed with the Glock 30 & 36. I'd also consider the Sig Sauer P220 and the H&K USPc.
But a .38 SPL snubbie makes me feel very warm and safe.
It basically comes down to what you feel comfortable carring ALL DAY! AND, you have to be confidence you can shoot this gun if the sh*t hits the fan. If you feel better carriing a .380 and can shoot tight groups under pressure to me is better than a .45 you pull, hands shaking and you can't hit the broad side of a barn. I carry a Walther P22 w/CCI Velicitors when it is not practical to carry my Kimber Pro C Carry .45.
Love the Kimber for a .45 (Close to a 1k rounds, no problems.) Took a while for the Walther to break in 500+ round of CCI's ONLY.
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The short barrel 1911 issue is more in the lines that they tend to have misfeeds if not gripped (more) firmly. The shorter slide has less mass and requires a firm(er) grip to ensure functioning (the limp-wrist effect). Felt recoil is a relative thing. I'm sure an all-steel short-barreled 1911 is managable. Most 1911s seem (to me) to suck up recoil regardless of size.
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I shoot a Kimber 1911 Ultra CDP Custom Shop .45 ACP every Wednesday from April - Nov in IDPA style competion. I use 10rd Chip McCormick mags. I am absolutely amazed at how accurate this 1911 can be with a 3" barrel. I DON'T EVEN NOTICE THE RECOIL AT ALL. [I] sure it has a little. Its like a falme thrower in low light. The 3" barrel seems to not allow the primary charge to develop fully. They tend to be a little slower muzzle velocity. I did find out I needed to use SAE 40 straight weight engine oils as the lube.
The Glock 36 is about the best carry and shooting pistol I have ever carried.
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OK. I have an ATI FX .45. Now, I like the pistol. I have had some issues. I'm not so concerned about the bbl length issues but it's ATI's customer service.
I sent mine back (they DID pay for shipping BOTH ways) because of a battered ejector, the firing pin getting stuck in the firing pin hole and the chambered round rattling in the chamber.
The only issue ATI addressed was the battered ejector, which they re-formed (from the SAME metal), which guaranteed a repeat of the same. So I now have the same situation and have decided to not go through ATI to solve the issues. So, if you go with ATI, just prepare yourself for a possible headache.
GOOD pistol at a GOOD price but don't expect perfection.
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