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NEW GUN! RIA 22 TCM, a .223 on a necked down 9mm case in a 1911 package, 2100 FPS

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    Isn't this basically a new 5.7x28mm round?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Hawk View Post
    Isn't this basically a new 5.7x28mm round?
    Thats exactly what I was thinking. You can get 50gr 5.7x28 from eliteammuntion.com that has very similar performance and in a proven pistol and carbin package. The FiveseveN has been on my short list for some time now.
    having said that this does look like a pretty cool gun/round.
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    As a few others have said this round does indeed look like another 5-7, the one big difference being that it may work well in other platforms, i.e. G19, G17 exc. The only reason I could see this round doing well is if someone put out a 9mm carbine that had an easy barrel swap out so you could use Glock 9mm mags with .22 tcm ammo in a carbine. That would be cool to me, but as a pistol round? Nope. Sorry.
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    Something tells me this round will slice thru most body armor like butter,but may be a great defensive round for recoil sensitive people
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    saw this at a gun show while i was in the Philippines. This is going to be on my list for sure
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    If you like toys, you buy this now. If you want personal and home defense you buy FN. Until someone shows me that this firearm is as good as an FN in reliabilty and every other standard that a reasonable person should use to judge a fiream that will be more than a toy, IMO, that is all it is. New products, even from the manufacturers who a reasonable person would put on the A List, sometimes have problems. Always open to newbies in 57 field and look forward to seeing real critical reviews over time. This goes for this firearm and the Excel firearm currently in production. Yes, I currently have an FN 57 and it is perfect. There is a list of the many law enforcement agencies and even the secret service who agree with me, not to mention the BGs like drug cartel/dealers and the Ft Hood moslem terrorist (there I said it--sorry Obama, Napolitano and Holder---would someone please try him already and hang him?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Similar idea to the FN 5.7mm?
    That's what I was thinking. Since RIA has a history of solid products at reasonable prices maybe the new round will be somewhat economical.
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    A 40 grain bullet at 2100 fps, isn't that comparable to a .22 WMR?

    I think the 5.7, although I don't have the numbers right now, would be a much better option. 5.7x28 vs 5.56x19, are they both using the same .224 bullet?

    It is interesting, but we'll have to see how it performs after a year, or so, on the market.
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    The American Handgunner's most recent issue discusses the round and says it's based on the .223 case. That would most likely be stronger than a necked-down 9mm case. It does say teh pistol in the article can be converted to 9mm by replacing the barrel. "Supposed" to be some 300 fps faster than the 5.7.
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    Here are some youtube videos of the .22 TCM in the Philippines. Those Pinoys really love their guns !!! God Bless

    .22 cal TCM Breath of Fire - YouTube

    Muzzle Flash - 22 TCM testfire - YouTube

    Armscor 1911 .22 TCM - YouTube

    The new .22 cal TCM Rock Island Armory (ArmsCor Phils.) - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    The American Handgunner's most recent issue discusses the round and says it's based on the .223 case. That would most likely be stronger than a necked-down 9mm case. It does say teh pistol in the article can be converted to 9mm by replacing the barrel. "Supposed" to be some 300 fps faster than the 5.7.
    There's already a round like that - the .221 fireball, but it's a little too long for a semi-auto. Great in a Contender, though. Be interesting to see a Judge chambered for it.
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    I love you guys. I've always wanted to be a curmudgeon and I now have a good chance: what is wrong with the venerable .45 ACP?

    I guess I'm asking what the advantage of a 5.7mm or .22 TCM might be? And are those advantages needed by the average civilian carrying for personal protection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    I love you guys. I've always wanted to be a curmudgeon and I now have a good chance: what is wrong with the venerable .45 ACP?

    I guess I'm asking what the advantage of a 5.7mm or .22 TCM might be? And are those advantages needed by the average civilian carrying for personal protection?
    Cant speak for the .22 TCM but the FiveseveN has VERY low recoil and can carry 20 to 30 rds, not to mention the weight of a FiveseveN is around 20-21oz unloaded. I can mag dump a FiveseveN @ 10yds and keep all rounds in the center mass target, and i do mean firing as fast as I possibly can.
    I carry a .357mag because no one bickers about the .357mag being "enough".

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    Interesting in the January / February 2012 American Handgunner Magazine article they say that a 40gr. 5.7x28 out of the FN Pistol averages about 1650ft/sec which equates to about 242ft-lbs of energy. The 40gr. .22TCM is clocked at 2050ft/sec which equates to about 373ft-lbs of energy. I am guessing with hotter loads for this round you will be approaching over 400+ft-lbs of energy !!! This is a pretty interesting round to say the least. I am sure in the future when it is released to the public there will be a lot of comparisons and analysis between the .22TCM round and the 5.7x28 round. More choices for us !!! God Bless

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    I'm trying to figure the purpose.. I like additional capacity, so I own a CZ SP01 with 20 rounds of 9mm in it. why goof around with a less powerful untested round?
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