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#1 ·
hi everyery,
i would like to start off by asking everyone who knows anything or personaly ownes a compact 1911
i am in the market for one badly but its hard for me to search google and understand what brands are good or bad and what to goto a gunstore when i get home and ask to look at if they do not have it.
i am looking to keep the bill under$600 or around so this rules out kimber.
i would like to know what manufactures make a reputibal compact 1911 for a decent price tag!
thanks everyone and pics of thoes who own them and carry them will be awesome and what kind of holster you use.

take care and be safe everyone
semper fi -keith
 
#2 ·
I'm going to suggest Rock Island Armory. While their guns are not top end, they do seem to be reliable and well built. I personally prefer a 4" barrel in a 1911. Easy to conceal and shoot, and doesn't have the problems associated with the 3" models.
 
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I agree. The new compact guns are pretty damn good and are a good base gun to improve on. With your budget you could get the gun, mags, ammo and so on.
 
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I would go with the Rock Island also. My EDC is a SA 3” Micro-Compact I purchased several years ago for $700. Be advised the 3” models are very persnickety on ammo and it is not recommended to use +P ammo in some them.
 
#6 ·
I own a Rock Island 3" as my EDC and I love it. It has over 500 rounds through it without any failures not caused by the operator. It reliably feeds every ammunition I have put through it including PDX-1's and Gold Dots. The only downside I have encountered are some confusion on the sights for these pistols. I have had several gunsmiths tell me I could not replace the sights because they are not cut to specs for Novak style sights. I was also told this by a rep from XS sights as well. That being said, it is possible the newer ones do not have this issue, or you could pay to have the sights replaced in the future if you wished by a better smith than I have access to. I run it with Kimpro Tac-Mags without a hiccup.
 
#9 ·
Would look into the RIA compact / officers models, the colt defender is a very nice gun, but you would have to get lucky to find one in that price range, almost think if it were me n i could only have one, would save a little more n go with the colt. I own a RIA and it is not as ''slick'' as a colt, but at the same time, it has never failed to go boom when i pulled the trigger.
 
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#10 ·
Hiltion Yam knows a thing or two about 1911s. This is an excerpt from this article:

Here are the basic specifications to examine for a duty 1911:

•Full sized Government Model 1911 format with 5" barrel length and steel frame for increased reliability and durability.
•Chambered in .45 ACP, as that is the caliber in which the gun was designed and functions best. The greatest number of magazine options are available in .45 ACP.
•Standard Browning barrel without integral feed ramp. Ramped barrels typically have very steep feed ramps that don't feed well. Wide mouthed hollowpoints can also catch at the bottom of the integral ramp, creating further feeding issues.
•Standard milspec short recoil spring guide rod and plug.
•Recoil spring rating of 17-18.5 lbs to improve durability with full power duty loads.
•Availability of ambidextrous safety for left handed users.
•Type of firing pin safety system, if any. See below for further.
•Light rail or standard dust cover.
•Type of finish.
He includes CC under duty.
 
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I've had a Colt Defender since they came out. NEVER had a hiccup; ate everything I've put through it and that includes Aguila IQ I was curious about and tested. You probably will not find one for the price you specify, but you could get close on a used one. If I had to stay at that price point, I, too, would chose the RIA. Closer to $600 I would probably chose the Springfield GI micro compact. I don't think it is made anymore, but if you could find one, I'd go with that just because it has a lowered and flared ejection port.
 
#12 ·
In a 3" barrel 1911 .45ACP sub-compact, the Colt Defender is by far the best and Kimber is a good #2 (only because it's a close copy of the Colt). The RIA is a decent little "bare bones" gun, but even that is going to push your $600 or less price range.

I don't like the "Series-80" firing-pin lock on the Colt and Kimber because it's got too many little parts that can easily cause a FTF if the gun is a little dirty. You're stuck with the '80 design in a Kimber; but at least you can easily convert the Colt back to a "Series-70" design with a few relatively inexpensive parts.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend a 3" barrel 1911 in 45ACP of any brand because they are, in fact, very temperamental with different types of ammo which is an inherent trait that can't be side-stepped because of their very short slide-throw. Since reliable loading of each round is highly dependent on the slide's forward speed and strength, such a short barrel and short slide-throw requires an extremely powerful slide spring. Because the pistol is relatively short with a small grip, just chambering the first round can take a considerable amount of effort that can't be easily done with very dry or wet hands that don't afford a vice-like grip.

Another problem comes from such a short, very powerful slide spring not being able to maintain the same amount of compression force for very long; so it's not uncommon for any of the .45ACP sub-compacts to suddenly start having feeding problems even when using the same ammo that worked well in the past. I wouldn't think the RIA would be any different from the Colt or Kimber who's owners and frequent shooters strongly advise keeping a good supply of new slide springs around and changing them out every 400 to 500 rounds - or even much sooner of problems suddenly pop up.
 
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Kimber suggests replacing the recoil spring on the 4" @ 800rds, on the 3" @ 1200rds. I do it on my Combat Commander every 5krds.
 
#14 ·
Colt Defender

I have used a 3 inch Colt Defender for 5 years and have been very satisfied with it. I bought it used for $700. I carry it in a Kramer belt scabbard and it conceals well because it is a thin gun that rides high on the belt. It has fired and ejected every time, for over 1000 rounds so far. I use Remington Golden Saber ammo for carry.



 
#15 ·
I hate to be a spoiler but I had about one of the best 1911 3inchers they make the Kimber CDP Ultra and the thing only worked 100 percent with expensive Wilson Combat magazines and Mecgar magazines which are way cheaper...I tested it with over 1k rounds of 230grain mostly full metal or ball ammo mostly Winchester. I recommend going with the Pro-Carry size which is the Commander size for concealment carry.
 
#16 ·
Here's my RIA compact.



MY bobtailed full size RIA



You can get them at Budsgunshop, or Centerfire Systems all day long from $389-$440 You can go ahead and get a full size to carry but personally I don't like the weight of it. The Colts, Kimber and all are really nice and expensive, JMO it's buying the name. My 2 RIA's have been very dependable and it shoots very good also.
 
#17 ·
Keith,

This is kind of tough because you are severally limiting your options with that price point. I understand that you only have so much to spend and I can appreciate that, but 1911's are a bit more to start with. I would honestly save a little bit and get a Springfield EMP or Colt used or something. It has been redesigned from the ground up and is not just a chopped down version of a 1911. They are pretty darn reliable from my experience as mine has been flawless.
 
#18 ·
thank you all very very much!i dont and no one i know has had any experience with different modle , and size 1911.
after reading the posts i have come to the conclusion if i cant find a used cold defender for my range that i will have to keep saveing.

also besides the weight, for concealment is there that much of a difference in the full size to the defender? or am i just getting sucked up in the whole its compact for ccw so its better for me thing?

thank you again everyoen for the coments!
 
#21 ·
3, 4, and 5 inch 1911 comparison

Also besides the weight, for concealment is there that much of a difference in the full size to the defender? Or am I just getting sucked up in the whole its compact for ccw so its better for me thing?
There is quite a difference in size between a full size steel 1911 and a 3 inch, aluminum frame 1911, as shown in the picture of 3, 4, and 5 inch 1911s together. The Defender weighs 25 ounces empty, while the full size gun is 38 ounces empty. Concealment is much easier with the 3 inch.

 
#22 ·
I've always preferred a Commander (4 1/4"), over the Officer's (3.5"), guns due to the slightly longer barrel helps to keep the grip in tight to my side where an Officer's sized gun with shorter barrel and grip actually lean's out and is more exposed on my frame; carried IWB. The Officer's reduced grip length is also a little short for my larger hand size. I've owned a 3" Kimber RCP that is about as small as a 1911 can be made with it's abbreviated grip safety, however, it lost some of the ergonomics that make a 1911 so fantastic in the hand.

When you chop a 1911 down below the Commander length you raise the chances of malfunction, not that there aren't reliable guns under 4 1/4". I carry a full sized Government Combat Elite and appreciate the 5" guns the most.
 
#23 ·
I can attest to the 3 " 1911 being finicky. My Kimber ultra eclipse has had several FTE's which really annoy me. I purchased it used and am uncertain of how used it is. I replaced the extracter and have had no further failures but have only about 60 rounds through it since. It had previously failed about 6 times in 200 rounds. I need to run more ammo through it and especially a good SD load but find the cost prohibitive. I hope I can prove it's reliability because it is a real nice shooter for me. My full size Kimber has never failed in any way.

If I was to replace it I would probably go with a commander size 1911 or possibly the EMP in 40 cal. For me the full size 1911 is hard to conceal with the longer grip length.

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icic, i might have to findsomeone when im home to try our a fullsize or officer? im sorry im not too sure what names mean what sizes. the 4.5 does anyone cc a 4.5? or fullsize? thinking that since i want a 1911 i should get a 1911 real one rather than a small once was just a curious side of me that liked the mini .45 1911 ide but have realized i mise well get a poyleymer pistol for extream cc. meaning easier to hide, and reliability. unless anyone else has an idea. thanks for all the imput guys just alot wondering though my head lol i wish i had a million dollors so i could but all the guns i wanted
 
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1911's by size and name:
Government Model = 5" Bbl. full size frame.
Commander Model = 4 1/4" Bbl. full size frame.
Concealed Carry Officer's Model = 4 1/4" Bbl. Officer's frame.
Officer's Model = 3.5" Bbl. Officer's frame.

Some companies make 4" models rather than the standard Commander 4 1/4" Bbl. and 3" rather than the 3.5" Officer's standard Bbl. In addition there are a few Officer's length slides on full sized Govt./Commander frames around. The Government frame will hold either 7 or 8 rounds of .45 auto depending on the magazine and the Officer's will hold one less with flush fit mags.

I CC a full sized Government Model Colt Combat Elite and prefer a Govt. Model over the smaller Officer's. Being that the 1911 is such a slim design and that I carry mostly IWB the Bbl. length isn't a factor as it's hidden inside my pants. My preferred holster of choice for a 1911 is the Milt Sparks Summer Special II.
 
#26 ·
New on the shelf is the STI Spartan in 3 and 4 inch. I have the 5" model and it is top notch. I haven't had the pleasure to handle or shoot either of the shorter barrel guns, but STI has excellent products and great customer service. Dawson Precision has the new ones listed at $628.
 
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