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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    don't even think of using the NYPD as an example, they have been way behind the curve for many years, they were one of the last large agencies to go to semi auto 9mm. decisions they make regarding guns or any other weapons is more political than tactical
    NYPD has to incur an immense expense to approve/test a service weapon, so one can imagine that to change to a different weapon would be very time consuming. Not to mention every LEO and their boss has a different opinion on what is needed and how the brass are stupid. They allow three different weapons SW5946, Glock 19, Sig226DAO. I can certainly imagine that the same internal politics that any sizable police department has, comes in to play but overall I imagine cost is a very large factor in selecting their service weapon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roon View Post
    I guess I don't really see the point of .40 S&W. Its marginally more effective than 9mm yet costs more. If you are looking for "stopping power" go up to the .45 ACP. If the capacity of those guns is an issue, train better shot placement and save the cash and use the 9mm.
    But what about penetration? OFten the state troopers will be dealing with people in their vehicles. And the venerable .45 ACP does not penetrate as well as .347 Sig or even a .40 S&W round.

    I was surprised at the number of agencies issuing .357 Sig to their troopers. I was expecting more .40 S&W save for the .45 GAP and the 9mm being used by Indiana State Police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toorop View Post
    But what about penetration? OFten the state troopers will be dealing with people in their vehicles. And the venerable .45 ACP does not penetrate as well as .347 Sig or even a .40 S&W round.

    I was surprised at the number of agencies issuing .357 Sig to their troopers. I was expecting more .40 S&W save for the .45 GAP and the 9mm being used by Indiana State Police.
    I was expecting more .357 sigs - I'm a little disappointed at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangle View Post
    Now see, you had my hopes all built up. It won't be long though. I've seen a G31 gen 4 at a LGS, so the G32 gen 4 can't be far behind.

    Hey, I see what I did now, you listed: "Glock 36, 30SF, 31, 32, 21 Gen4 - Carry guns" and I thought the gen 4 applied to all of them. It only applied to the 21, right?
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    Certainly NJ wouldn't want their trooper over gunned..........9mm......and sorry for the differing opinion but the 45acp will penetrate a vehicle just fine.....and make a bigger hole too.
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    My native state(NY) and my new home(since '06)GA both with the 45GAP. Interesting choice....a solution(caliber)in search of a problem IMHO !
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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    Certainly NJ wouldn't want their trooper over gunned..........9mm......and sorry for the differing opinion but the 45acp will penetrate a vehicle just fine.....and make a bigger hole too.
    Most testing shows otherwise in regards to the .45 ACP.

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    Tangle just talked with a state trooper here in South Dakota. Thier regs state that they must carry a Sig Sauer either P 226 or P 229 in any caliver ranging from 9mm to .40 S&W. MOST do infact carry the .357 Sig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalk316 View Post
    Tangle just talked with a state trooper here in South Dakota. Thier regs state that they must carry a Sig Sauer either P 226 or P 229 in any caliver ranging from 9mm to .40 S&W. MOST do in fact carry the .357 Sig.
    That's interesting!
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    interesting Connecticut with Colt, Ruger, Connecticut corporations, and Smith and Springfield just over the boarder in Mass is issuing Sigs...must have been an incredable deal...

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    Maine State Police are phasing out USP and switching to the HK45.

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    As for how the list has "changed over the years" we need to take into account how the demographics of LE organizations have changed over the same period. I'm going to do some generalizing here, so please allow me the "notable exceptions".

    Thirty years ago there were very, very few female officers. So average hand size, forearm strength & recoil sensitivity were substantially different considerations as related to issued handguns. Did you notice the relative absence of "thick-waisted" DA/SA autoloaders (re: Beretta 92) and 10mm offerings? Also, more modern recruits often have NEVER handled or shot ANY firearm before their time at The Academy, so issued sidearms that are designed with the simplest/easiest to teach "manual of arms" (striker-fired, no manual-safety GLOCK and M&P models) just make better sense. Teaching a rookie shooter how to safely & effectively run a G22 has GOT to be easier than with a 1911 variant.
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    Interesting list to be sure! I too am surprised by the lack of 9mm and the number of .40S&W.

    This list looks like it could have come from Massad Ayoob, he used to compile info like this.
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    Maryland Beretta Px4 (.40 S&W)...FYI, Maryland State Police recently switched to the Glock 22

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