This is a discussion on please.get my mind right about safeties within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by JD Guys, lets keep it on the mechanical saftey topic...any other "chamber commentary" will be axed. Ooops. No to safety...
If you get your mind right, you don't need a mechanical safety. Keep the gun properly holstered, don't fidgit with it, don't constantly load and unload it, keep your finger off the trigger, keep it pointed in a safe direction at all times, and if it is not on your person lock it in a safe. Follow these rules religiously and you're golden without an external mechanical safety.
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Yes on a safety.
Train yourself in disengaging the safety until its no more possible to forget to disengage it than it is that you'll forget to pull the trigger.
Train yourself to re-engage the safety every time before holstering and you'll never have a case of Glock Leg. (There's a reason it's not called "1911 Leg".)
As previously mentioned, it is at least possible that if you lose control of your weapon to a BG he may not be able to defeat the safety before you pull a BUG or get away.
As not previously mentioned, if someone not authorized to handle your weapon gets a hold of it (a child, for example) they might not be able to disengage the safety and discharge it. Google AD's/ND's with children and see how many times a very young kid gets a hold of a revolver or safety-less semi-auto and fires it—they learn point & click at an early age. (I don't have to Google it myself, my wife was shot as a toddler by her 4 year old cousin who found grandpa's nightstand revolver.) I know some people will think and perhaps post that they will 'never' let their weapon get into the hands of anyone not authorized to have it, but 'never' is a very long time and it happens time and again.
It's a personal choice and this thread as had a bunch of level-headed posts on the pros and cons of each, so pay your money, take your choice, and train with whatever you choose.
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If your feelings are hurt by what I say, then quite probably you won't kill anyone to save your own life.
The best safety is keeping your trigger finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire.
With that being said, do what you feel right doing but practice and train a lot to make whatever your choice like second nature when the SHTF.
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The external safeties do not matter to me. I have more important criteria when buying a CCW. If it has one either carry it off or carry it on and train accordingly. Not any different than a grip safety, or any other safety. Still have to manipulate the gun to make it work. Train accordingly and it wont matter. I dont buy all the one more thing to go wrong ideas people throw around because it has a safety. It is no more mechanically susceptible than any other part of the machine.. Too much lint in your gun from your pocket can make things go wrong too...
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Always carried revolvers ... for years. So, never had a safety other than my finger, and making sure nothing ever got hung up nor snagged the trigger (trigger guarded) ... So, on semi's, they really made no difference to me.
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No safety for this guy. I have shot thousands of rounds through my Benelli SBE II and still manage to forget to take the safety off at least once a year while duck and goose hunting. Then it just pisses me off....in a defensive situation it could get me killed. Right now I use a Blackhawk Serpa Concealment holster. This is a level 2 holster and to release the gun from the holster your finger has to compress a lever on the side of the holster. This leaves your finger in the safe position on the gun when you draw it naturally. I know the people that are in favor of safeties are going to say that you have to push a lever on the holster that is the same as flipping the safety on a gun but it isnt. The placement of this lever is in the perfect place that my finger would be to safely draw my gun even if the lever was not there and it keeps your finger out of the trigger guard. This was a huge factor when I matched the gun to holster for me. Even though it is a natural motion practice practice practice.....when you are tired of practicing and thing you have it second nature.....practice more....Just my feelings on this subject.
What's bad for the goose is bad for the gander. Plenty of people of have made serious errors when using the Serpa, (with a gun with a safety at that) enough that several agencies and professional trainers have prohibited them in their classes. When a specific brand/model of holster facilitate more negligent discharges...oh forget it, lets not make this a Serpa bashing thread.
What it all boils down to is teaching yourself to perform a procedure with a single digit of your hand, you use your finger, I use my thumb. The problems with both safeties and Serpas, is that not everyone puts in the effort to get the system down.
Both can cause accidents but I haven't seen the 1911 getting banned from training classes yet.
**edited to add: To be fair through, there are certainly many agencies that do prohibit the use of 1911 style cocked and locked firearms**
How long have you had the Serpa and how many hours have you spent on that draw stroke?
Not trying to belittle you or your opinion, but you don't exactly have a lot of experience.