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    I carry a P229 SCT more frequently than any other gun I own and have owned 3 other Sigs over the years, they are a very durable and accurate platform, albeit somewhat large for CC, (especially the P226). P series Sigs are thicker than some of their competitors and need a good belt and holster to conceal properly. If I were in your shoes and dead set on a classic P series gun for concealment I would look at the P228 or P229 before the full size. I would also keep the M&P and save up for a Sig as both are fine guns.

    It doesn't sound like you have much experience with firearms as far as having tried different operating systems, (SA, DA, Striker, DAO). Maybe a trip to a range that rents guns or a shoot with some friends who own various guns would help.

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    I've never owned a Sig so honestly I can't comment one way or the other. I have looked at Sigs, and most of them, to me, are too heavy or large for concealed carry. I prefer a consistent trigger pull also, not DA/SA. Have you tried Glock? Have you tried CZ? Have you tried H&K?

    I guess the only advice I can really give you, is not to be too hasty trying to over analyze the differences of the two guns and talk yourself into the Sig. It's obviously what you want. I have made the mistake, not once but many times, of getting rid of one gun to get another gun. I have in "most" cases regretted getting rid of what I had. You will be better off keeping your M&P, getting the Sig, and in a few years, if you find that you have no interest in the M&P, and the only one you ever carry or shoot is the Sig, then you might consider getting rid of the M&P. See luckily for me, I married a woman who also likes guns and she keeps me or tries her best to keep me from selling, or trading off firearms. She says, "keep what we have and just add to it".

    Keep the M&P. Save up and get the Sig. If you find the Sig is too heavy, you'll still have the M&P to carry and you can use the Sig as a range gun or "safe queen" as gottabekiddin put it.
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    I might get bombarded here, but here goes. PLEASE remember, this is only MY opinion and not intended to start a war here, as we are all drawn here by the same intrests we share.
    I know, everybody has their preferences, and so do I. If I were to own a Sig, I wouldn't own anything but a GERMAN Sig. ( I currently own about 10 German made Sig handguns in my collection and I carry every one of them at some point in rotation) One that has the S/Ns on all three places (bbl, slide, frame) These were either imported by Interarms, or entered into the Country from Herndon or Tysons Corner Va. (the very early ones, the BDA types were imported by Browning with a heel mag release) Call me bias or whatever, but These ones are great handguns. I worked at Sig, made frames and slides, and prefer the older guns to the newer ones made in NH (personal preference and no funky MIM parts, springs, etc from who knows where) The slides on the original Sigs 220, 226, 228 P6, 225, 245 were mandral bent and costed more to make than the new ones made from bar stock. The 2022 was Swiss made also.
    Basically, I own one NH made Sig. It's a P239 SAS 40 S&W that I followed thru the MFG process and made it's way into my hands. It's the only NH made Sig I own.
    The Smith M&P goes a long way also. Lots good stuff in it, but it's single/striker fired like the Glock as compared to DA/SA with a Decocking lever as on the Sig.
    I would also suggest keeping the M&P and save up and find a nice German Made Sig (one with the Proof marks on the underside of the slide and the S/Ns on the three places I have mentioned)
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    I carried the M&P 40SW before I retired from a metro PD and it is a great carry weapon for its weight on a duty belt for 12 hours everyday. It has the best grip ergonomics of any other pistol IMHO and not a thing wrong with the poly frame. It would conceal I believe a lot better then the sig. I handled both and shot both, both are great pistols but for CCW go M&P smith on this.

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    Get the sig if you want, but chances are you'll regret ditching the m&p. For $200 or less let bowie tactical play with that m&p trigger and there's most of your gripes. One thing that I did not see brought up is the bore axis difference between a sig and a m&p, on the m&p your hand is SIGNIFICANTLY closer to the center line of the bore which does wonders to reduce recoil. I noticed this between the p220 and XD45 and the m&p has a lower bore axis than the XD. I'll put it to you this way my next gun is going to be a m&p 9c, I owned one years ago and sold it for a stupid reason and have regretted it every since. Sigs are wonderfull firearms but you may feel more recoil due to that bore axis issue.

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    I plan to get a Sig next!

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    I almost traded my M&P9C for a Sig p229 a few months ago. All I can tell you is why I DIDN'T make the trade (after much research).

    1. I hate DA/SA triggers. First shot is almost always a miss (for me, same thing with my CZ P01 which was my favorite gun).
    2. Weight. The Sig is a HEAVY bugger. Since it is hot where I live 9 months a year, lighter and smaller is better.
    3. Overall ergonomics. The M&P fit my hand better and is adjustable with the back straps. Again, this is MY impression.

    Those were the reasons I kept the M&P. Mainly the weight though. Tough to go from 21oz to 35-37oz. And the compact fits better under a t-shirt and shorts.

    The Sig is a fine weapon though, but the CZ P01 is better IMO and easier to carry.

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    Ivemowned a CZ and currently have an M&P 40. I also have a 2022 in.40 as well as a P229 in 9mm. The M&P is lighter but not enough to make that the determinining factor in your choice. My 229 is my primary carry and I am happy with it. I sometimes carry the M&P at night as it has night sights. While I am comfortable with carrying either one I love my Sig the most.

    Don't let the DA/SA trigger bother you. I may get flamed but I think that most haters of it are just too lazy to learn the trigger system. Learn to use your gun regardless of what type of trigger it has. Yes it's different on the first shot but that is easily overcome if you train with it.

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    Just over a month ago I purchased a brand new M&P9 Fullsize from a local gun shop. This was my second handgun purchase and it coincided with my submission of my Utah CCP papers, kind of a celebration. My first handgun was a Smith and Wesson SW9VE. I bought it when I was 19 and did so on the recommendation of a friend. It was a great first gun. It was simple, very reliable (never had one malfunction ever in over 800 rounds), and well manufactured. While I trusted it with my life, I knew that it was only the beginner's tier of handgun technology and features. I purchased my M&P9 under great impressions. I purchased the range and carry kit which comes with three mags, speed loader, Bladetech mag holster, Bladetech gun holster. The total with tax ended up approx $590.

    Before purchasing the gun I did a fair amount of research between the other top polymer guns (Glock 17, Springfield Armory XD, Ruger SR9) and found the M&P to best suit my needs for various reasons. I originally had my heart set on the Springfield Armory XD9sc. I backed off on it for various reasons which are neither here nor there.

    One of my best friends recently bought his first handgun, a Sig Sauer P2022. I had a chance to play around with it this weekend and I noticed a few things that I really liked about it when compared to my gun. The first thing I noticed was the weight. His gun is almost 3oz heavier than mine (both unloaded). While this is not substantial, it was notable to me. I also had the feeling that his gun was more solidly put together. The gun seemed more to me one complete piece of machinery. My gun felt more like there was a disconnect between the slide and the frame. While his is also polymer, it did not nearly seem as "plasticy" as mine. The weapon was just as comfortable as mine, if not more, despite M&P having a reputation for being highly ergonomic. I also like that his gun is DA/SA with an external hammer. I dry fired in both DA and SA and I found the trigger to be much more pleasurable than mine. I especially enjoyed the short travel and hair-trigger qualities of SA. I felt that I was able to control the trigger picture decently well with the DA despite being a 10 lb. affair. In all honesty it just felt like it was a much better made handgun. I know I paid so much more because I got a lot more accessories, and he only got one magazine, but I can't help but feel a bit ripped off.

    In discussion he brought up how he would have preferred the P226, partially because it is all metal. A light went on in my head. I had never closely looked at all metal guns. I am not a gun nut by any means, just a hobbyist and an exerciser of rights. In my mind, all metal guns were 1911s and revolvers. Those were not the kinds of guns I wanted as my primary defense weapon, for whatever the reasons. Suddenly I thought of Berettas, CZs, and, of course, Sig Sauers. I really enjoyed the feeling of a heavier handgun. All metal sounded better all around. Stronger, sturdier, a more effective melee weapon, durable, etc. It is this thought that cannot escape my mind. The grip of the M&P is plastic. It looks like plastic, weighs like plastic, feels like plastic. I feel like it is a reliable weapon and it is trusted by numerous law enforcement officials and civilians alike to protect their lives. I have no doubt that if called upon it would do the same for me.

    But for me, my gun fills many needs and desires. Among them it is also somewhat of a showpiece and a pretty thing to look at. I am not saying that the M&P is ugly, no, quite the opposite. The M&P is a handsome, classy looking gun. The slide serrations are mature, the engravings and emblems on the gun are professional and very businesslike. The profile and frame are large and capable, the gun is serious and draped in black. I think many people would be and are proud to show off the M&P. My desires are just greater and different. For me, metal represents longevity and serious investment. A metal gun is one you keep for life and pass down. A metal gun is one that outlasts anything else. A big part of this may be that my father is a metal fabricator and I have always grown up knowing metal is just about as permanent as it can get.

    However, my affinity is deeper than materials and appearance. There are numerous things about my gun that I love and, similarly, numerous things that I do not love. With the P226 being a more expensive gun, I believe you get what you pay for. It is my understanding that the P226 was Sig Sauer’s entrant in the military trials to replace the 1911. That speaks volumes to me. While the M&P is no doubt a capable sidearm, I do not believe it was created with such a noble or strenuous purpose in mind.

    There are many things I like about my M&P9:
    • Lack of external safety
    • Lack of magazine disconnect
    • Picatinny rail
    • Personal experience with S&W handguns
    • Reputation and popularity with law enforcement/military organizations
    • Simplicity
    • High capacity (17+1)
    • Durability
    • Stainless slide
    • Three dot iron sights
    • Aggressive slide serrations
    • Interchangeable grips
    • Overall ergonomics
    • Fits well in my hand and goes to natural point of aim
    • Low bore axis
    • Very hefty and well built magazines

    There are a few things I don't like about my M&P9:
    • Stock trigger pull is gritty
    • Stock trigger has long uptake
    • Stock trigger has no audible or tactile reset
    • Stock trigger is double jointed
    • (despite these flaws I have recorded over 2,000 dry fires and consider myself to be quite capable with trigger control on this gun)
    • It is a polymer framed gun
    • Some aesthetic features such as rounded trigger guard
    • The magazine slam issue (where the slide will go forward if a magazine is inserted quickly or forcefully)
    • Slide wiggles around a tiny bit when gun is shaken
    • When holding the gun up to light and viewing from the side there are several areas in which light escaps through directly and that seems a bit cheap to me. I would like the gun to be sealed up more tightly to keep the elements out, although I know this may be a bit counter-intuitive because you want things to fall out that may get into the gun. I believe that if they have no way to get inside in the first place you will have no worries about them needing to get out

    While I haven't had time to fondle a P226 I will assume that it probably shares many things with the P2022 and is probably better than it in many respects

    Things I like about the P226:
    • SA is 4.4lbs
    • SA has short uptake
    • SA has smooth pull
    • Full metal frame
    • 4.4 inch barrel (longer than M&P)
    • External hammer
    • High capacity (15+1)
    • No external safety
    • MA/CA compliant (although this does not affect me, it is nice to have)
    • Appears ergonomic, and if the P2022 is any indication, it is
    • Single jointed trigger
    • Stainless slide
    • Three dot "combat" sights
    • Picatanny rail
    • Reputation and fact that it is carried by US Navy SEALS and Texas Rangers

    Things I don't like about P226:
    • Perhaps the DA/SA/external hammer I have not had enough experience with it to know if I would dislike becoming accustomed to two different actions
    • Possibly questionable when it comes to concealability/comfort
    • Not American made
    • Seemingly weak slide serrations
    • Removable grips (via screwdriver) sound like one more thing to come loose or fall off
    • Magazines do not seem as hefty as M&P's mags and the bottom part is either a very, very flimsy plastic or a thin metal, I am assuming it is metal I have not seen them for myself

    I have looked at several other manufacturers and I just have a hard time finding anything without an external safety. The entirety of my handgun experience has been using pistols lacking external safety switches. I do not have such a reflex and I actually prefer it that way. When the trigger is pulled I expect the gun to fire and my habits are trained as such. I believe that a safety may induce a false sense of security, but that is another discussion for another time.

    The closest I have come to the P226 in my search is a CZ 75 BD. I believe that the decocking system and lack of external safety works the same on this gun as it does on the P226, is this correct? Nonetheless, I feel that this gun is going to be a bit too long for me to comfortably conceal. If anyone has any recommendations from any manufacturer for a metal semi-auto with an external hammer and no safety, I will gladly hear them.

    I know that there is something to be said about being original and different from your friends. I just cannot get these Sig Sauers out of my mind. I would like to get to the range and rent one to shoot. I also have interest in the dozen or so variants that Sig Sauer produces.

    I'd like to hear advice, recommendation, constructive criticism, and thoughts when comparing these two firearms. Is the P226 worth the price difference? Why or why not? I would especially like to hear opinions of people who own both or have extensive experience with both. Are my perceptions incorrect or misguided? All thoughtful input is VERY much appreciated. This is a long post and if I can get some long, deep responses I would really love it. Thank you!
    Can you shoot the M&P 9 accurately? Why get rid of it if it is working great? Personally IMHO, I don't get rid of my guns because of some shortcomings. You get a better gun there is always another one that has more improved features. Until you can accept the fact that your gun is not always perfect, you are gonna continue to eat away at yourself and waste tons of money on another gun, unless you like to buy multiple guns. Me, for example, I own an H&K USP .40 since 1994 and am not trading it for another gun (maybe for a new one of the same make and model). There have been new better handguns like the Springfield XD, S&W M&P, Ruger SR40 (all striker fed), etc. but none of them have convinced me to get rid of my H&K USP .40, which even saved my life once.

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    I sure will not be getting rid of my M&P9 because I do like it for all of the reasons JoeCool stated previously. As of right now I do not have any reasons that I dislike about it. Having choices is great i.e. what is wrong for one person is right for another and vice versa.

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    This comes from a guy who has both and is a SIG fan. I love my 226. Smooth and accurate. But I love my Smith. Keep the M&P. It carries much better. But you do need the 226. So save up and add it to the M&P that you wisely decided to keep.

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    I will reiterate what I stated above and others have also commented on, keep your M&P and save for a Sig.

    Remember if you do use your defensive firearm in the capacity you carry it for, it will more than likely be taken as evidence leaving you unarmed. Having a second gun will allow you to protect yourself while the DA/Police have your carry gun in lockdown.

    I remember being in your situation many years ago, and I probably couldn't make a list of all the guns I've bought/sold/traded/owned through my years of experimenting with carry guns. It was fun, but expensive and now as I get close to 40 I don't plan to let any leave my collection. I will add a few more though.

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