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February 21st, 2012 11:06 PM
Man can everyone not get along? Were all on here for the same reason and a select few just have to put there feet in there mouth and say something that would best be kept to ones self. Lets all agree to disagree and move on.
my 1911 is flawless through about 500 rounds......
My m&p is better than any glock though!
February 21st, 2012 11:08 PM
Oh this guy in the video IS a nitwit ! But I can't believe you all are willing to see everyone the same biased solely, SOLELY on what one looks like! ! It's kin to me saying every one there is poor, illiterate speaking, double digit IQ Redneck because he is from Kentucky...I would never pretend to tell one's strengths and weakness ....personality and value we might have in each others lives...by the fact they wore a goofy hat...That is not based on on TV shows...but real life....
Originally Posted by glockman10mm
February 21st, 2012 11:09 PM
I don't have a 1911 yet, so I can not offer an opinion on that. What I can say is that there are not many guns that as a whole design suck. I am sure there are some. I don't like glocks, doesn't mean i dont respect them and believe they are good guns. Just an opinion.
As to judging a book by its cover? Each side of that coin has its merits.
"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" ~ Mark Twain
February 21st, 2012 11:11 PM
Mr. Yeager's false statements in video;
*@1:07 "A properly functioning 1911 is as rare as a malfunctioning Glock".... thats plain B.S
*@1:43 "you dont need alot of bullets, its a .45", "its all horse shi t" .... yea it will just bounch off your left eyeball...lol
*@2:20 J.B. designed a 1911 without grip safety ..... err.... that would be the "safety lock (thumb safety)"... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95...51e1b429_o.jpg
*@3:001911 only works with loose sloppy fit, modern manufacturing processes dont work.. but he wont name brands...
*@4:271911 owners make a poor choice. ... no we dont
*@5:471911 is designed for a arched main spring housing".. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...A1_pistols.JPG
*@5:50A arched main spring housing, changes grip angle... Oh, it magically changes the front strap too?
*@6:30only 2 or 3 places can build a 1911.... Wow
*@7:07Nowbody gives a shi t if your 1911 works..... well, why make a video they suck then?
*@7:101911 owners dont know if their guns work or not........ lol
*@7:15Dont bash me for my opinion.... we know what those are like.....
*@7:291911s suck is near fact... With at least whole video being full of false statements, I guess #12 has to be the truth?
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February 21st, 2012 11:14 PM
Originally Posted by Ram Rod
Best assessment / post of this thread!!
Originally Posted by Troll1
Well played sir
February 21st, 2012 11:14 PM
Before we get into a "kids these days" fest...which is where I see a few of these comments going, let me just stop you right there. First I'm 32, I spent 8 years as a submariner between 1999 and 2007. I don't make any apologies for not being a 1911 fan but hey the gun I choose to protect my life with is my perogotive. I also am noting that I'm a bit younger than some here, but shall I bring up the hippy generation? Come on, right now there are young men and women dying in droves in an all VOLUNTEER military in countries full of possibly the most evil, ideologicall corrupted (at least equal to the nazi's), and ferocious enemy we may have ever fought. How dare you imply that the current fighting age generation is not willing, smart enough or have grit enough to support this country that we live in. I believe we have the best trained, most effective, most professional (spoken not narcotics ridden) military we have ever had. You know who you are...gauntlet thrown.
February 21st, 2012 11:17 PM
Oh please, cry me a freaking river! First impressions count for everybody, and everyone judges or has opinions of other people based on those first impressions. So don't get all righteous just because I'm being honest in my opnion.
Originally Posted by kaboomkaboom
I'll bet when you go for a job interview, you put on your best side don't ya? Damn skippy. Cause that's just the way it is.
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.
February 21st, 2012 11:43 PM
this guy can call a 1911 any freaking thing he wants. He may have a little bit of experience to back up his opinion and not be a complete moron as everyone has concluded because he looks like he's a member of Hells Angels. Few things in life are as they seem or as they appear. Jump to conclusions based on appearance, and you may end up shooting the wrong guy in a lethal encounter.
His bio from Tactical Response
Thu, 07/01/2010 - 04:00 — Anonymous
James Yeager is currently the CEO of Tactical Response which provides tactical training worldwide as well as being CEO of Tactical Response Gear an industry leader in products and service to the tactical community.
From July 2004 until May 2005 James Yeager was on Protective Security Details in Baghdad Iraq. His Team was responsible for the protection of the 8 Iraqi Election Commissioners during the violent pre-election, election, and post election. His Team was also in charge of the physical security of their offices at the Interim Iraqi Government Building and we worked closely with the Gurkhan guard force there. Yeager’s duties as I.C. (on-site supervisor) included acting as a media liaison, coordinating the security force for the building (Contractors and Iraqi), coordinating with the security force for the compound (Global Risk and US Army), and coordinating with the two U.S. Army Force Protection groups for the area (82nd ABN). He also assisted with the planning, advances, coordination, and execution of the many meetings, plane rides, helicopter shuttles, conferences, and trips around turbulent Iraq that the 8 commissions took to set up and complete the electoral process.
May 1996 through September 1998 he worked as a Patrolman and K-9 handler for the Big Sandy Police Department. In the fall of 1998 he was asked to be the Chief of Police. It was during this time he trained and led the County’s first Tactical Team. He held the position of Chief until a new Mayor fired him in May of 2000. He was hired as a Deputy at the Benton County Sheriff’s Office in May of 2000. His duties at BCSO included patrol, Tactical Team leader, and trainer for the Multi-Agency Crisis Response Team. September of 2002 after a new Sheriff came into office Yeager decided the political strife of full-time Law Enforcement was too much for him and he went into private training full-time until July of 2004 when he turned his company over to his Board of Directors to go to Iraq.
January 1992 through May 1996 James Yeager worked with various Drug Task Force units as well as many local Departments’ Narcotics squads buying and selling illegal narcotics in an undercover capacity. He specialized in deep cover operations, used fictitious names, and moved frequently. The agencies he worked for included, but were not limited to, the 24th Drug Task Force, 23rd D.T.F., 27th D.T.F., Paris Police Department, the Henry County Sheriff’s Department, and the DEA. He made hundreds narcotics buys and sales during this period and still continues to work in short duration operations as needed.
James Yeager is a member of the National Rifle Association (NRA) – Life Member, the Southern States Police Benevolent Association, the Tennessee Tactical Police and Paramedic Association (TTPPA) and is a member of I.L.E.E.T.A.
• TN P.O.S.T. Certified to Instruct Less Lethal Munitions #00040S - inactive
• TN P.O.S.T. Certified to Instruct Firearms #00041S - inactive
• TN P.O.S.T. Certified to Instruct Chemical Weapons #00042S - inactive
• TN P.O.S.T. Certified to Instruct Expandable Baton #00043S - inactive
• TN P.O.S.T. Certified Police Officer and K-9 handler #97276 - inactive
* Louisiana State Police Firearms Instructor Number #0259
* F.B.I. Certified Firearms Instructor
* TN Department of Safety Certified Firearms Instructor
* FAA certified to instruct Law Enforcement “Flying Armed” courses
* A.L.S. Master Instructor (Less Lethal, Flashbangs, Chemical Weapons)
* Expandable Baton Instructor – Monadanock
* Bushmaster Certified Patrol Rifle/Carbine Instructor
* Aerosol O.C. Instructor – Fox Labs International
* Armor Holding - Gas Mask Instructor
* Armor Holdings - Pyrotechnic Munitions Instructor
* Armor Holdings - Distraction Device Instructor
* Armor Holdings – Chemical Weapons Instructor
* Armor Holdings - Less Lethal Munitions Instructor
* NRA Certified Handgun Instructor #11973397
* NRA Personal Protection Instructor #11973397
* Glock Certified Armorer
* Rangemaster Handgun Instructor Development
* Knife Defense Instructor
* Over 200 hours of DSS training for EP/PSD/BG
* Scientific Combat Method American Combat Masters 20 hour
* S.D.S.I. Tactical Rifle Course 16hours
* Tactical Knife Instruction- American Combat Masters 20 hour
* Black Water Lodge 32 hour Tactical Police and Military Shotgun Course
* Completed various 40 hour Officer Survival schools
* Attended Snipercraft 40 hour
* OPS - Advanced Low Light Shooting Instructor Course 40 hour
* OPS - Advanced Tactical Handgun Instructor Course 40 hour
* OPS - Handgun Instructor Course 40 hour
* OPS - Patrol Rifle Instructor Course 40 hour
* OPS -Shotgun Instructor Course 40 hour
* Jim Crews - Tactical Handgun 20 hour
* Halo Group - Advanced Tactical Handgun 18 hour
* Rangemaster - High Risk Personnel 16 hour
* Rangemaster - Crisis Response Team Training 80 hour
* S.W.A.T. UTM / Chief Tom Long 40 hour
* D.E.A. - Clandestine Lab Investigations 40 hour
* Criminal Investigation School UTM 40 hour
* Patrol Interdiction 40 hour
* Basic SWAT-Jackson SWAT Team 40 hour
* John Farnam Advanced Tactical Handgun Instructor Course 20 hour
* Military Counter Drug SRT course 48 Hour
* SWAT by Smyrna S.T.O.R.M. Team 40 hour
* 40 hours in-service 1996-through present
* Active Shooter Instructor Course / TTPPA 24 hrs
* 40 Hr Police Sniper School by Smyrna S.T.O.R.M.
* 28 Hour Carbine Instructor / Jim Crews
* 40 Hour F.B.I. SWAT course
* 5 day Strategos Spec-Ops Low-Light Team Tactics 50+ Hours
* Personal Security Course from Armor Group International (I.T.I. in VA)
* Pat Rogers 3-Day Carbine Operator Course
* Caliber Press - Street Survival 2 days
* Glock 2.5 day Instructor Workshop
* NRA Patrol Rifle Instructor
* Rogers Shooting School - Pistol / Intermediate
* Rogers Shooting School - Rifle / Advanced
* Surefire Tactical Technology Specialist Course
* Larry Vickers' AK Operator Course
James Yeager a certified expert witness in TN for firearms, tactical training and use of force. He has been a firearms trainer since 1994 and has taught literally thousands of students with several individuals, tactical teams, and Special Forces teams being successful in lethal force confrontations both domestically and abroad. Yeager has taught multiple classes all over the United States, Canada, Europe, the Middle East, Central America and South America. He has extensive experience teaching in austere environments.
James Yeager is also a professional writer and has been published in magazines such as S.W.A.T. (Staff Writer), Southern Lawman, and STUFF. He wrote foreword for the book “Surgical Speed Shooting” as well as being on the cover of that book. He has written a book on High Risk Civilian Contracting. Yeager has also produced a series of instructional DVDs.
He was featured on the cover of the September 2005 SWAT magazine and the December 2005 and June 2009 issues of SWAT had a full length review of our training. His companies have also been featured in the “Barrett Annual”, “Shotgun News”, “The book of the AR-15”, and several other periodicals. Kiplinger’s financial magazine also did an article on Yeager in the June 2007 issue. He was also featured on “SWAT Magazine TV” on the Outdoor channel in January 2010.
Kimbers are the guns you show your friends....Glocks are the ones you show your enemies.
February 21st, 2012 11:48 PM
I love my Springfield 1911. Only had one FTE- and it WAS because of the ammo; it didn't have quite enough powder in it. Only problem I have had with a factory reload.
I don't like Glocks very much. But, I cannot deny their effectiveness, or their reliability. Unfortunately, I might be purchasing a Glock in the relatively near future. For my wife. I don't know that I could carry a Glock daily- I'm sorry, but they're just so blasted ugly.
"Gun control should mean hitting your target every time."
Please try to remember- I have a very dry sense of humor. It usually sounds mean, but isn't meant to be.
February 21st, 2012 11:58 PM
You can educate ignorance, you can't fix stupid
Retired DE Trooper, SA XD40 SC, S&W 2" Airweight
dukalmighty & Pure Kustom Black Ops Pro "Trooper" Holsters, DE CCDW and LEOSA Permits, Vietnam Vet 68-69 Pleiku
February 22nd, 2012 12:05 AM
quite the resume.
Originally Posted by zonker1986
February 22nd, 2012 12:12 AM
Sorry to burst all your collective bubbles....but all your guns suck:
Your gun sucks!
February 22nd, 2012 12:25 AM
ok that's pretty funny lucky for me my XD, keltec and soon to be my new M&P aren't on the list thank god. (please don't start a keltec bash...I know it's cheap but it works)
Originally Posted by PEF
February 22nd, 2012 12:25 AM
Am I the only one relishing the irony of all this invested ego coming forth about a video that basically warns against investing your ego into a hunk of metal? Probably, but that's ok by me. :)
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
February 22nd, 2012 12:30 AM
I am actually NOT one of those 1911 people that has my ego invested in any of my 1911s.
Not everything that this guy said is bullcrap.
There are a few issues with some "cranked out" assembly line 1911s. The most important one being 1911s that are put out into the marketplace with improperly fit and tensioned extractors. It's such a SIMPLE and inexpensive "fix" but, tuning the extractor is something that takes a bit of time and some 1911 "makers" just do not want to invest that extra amount of time. An improperly fit and tensioned extractor WILL cause "Failure To Feed" stoppages and/or erratic or incomplete ejection.
SO....I can see how some gun owners would go take a course packing a spanky new 1911 cranked out clone and suffer function related problems due to an ill fit extractor.
Also I can easily understand how some gun owners will make changes to or modify/customize a 1911 Al La Home Gunsmithing and then suffer multiple malfs. The 1911 being THE most Home Hobby Gunsmithed firearm on the planet.
BUT, that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual inherent design of the 1911 firearm which is nothing short of brilliant.
The other HUGE issue with the 1911 would be the incredible number of various assorted "New and Improved" or sub-standard MAGAZINES available out there for the 1911. They vary so greatly with regard to Mag Spring Tension - Follower Design - and....Feed Lip Configuration. That is typically NOT a problem that GLOCK firearms share.
Far and away the vast majority of GLOCK shooters use Factory GLOCK magazines. And those mags are cookie cutter magazines for a cookie cutter firearm. I am not being derogatory when I say that and I only mean that "tolerance differences & specification differences" are not a problem with GLOCK firearms as they would/could be with the 1911 and the wide varity of magazines available for the 1911. The GLOCK also does not have cheap Chinese counterfeit magazines "STAMPED COLT" floating around out there like the 1911 does.
So it is very important for the 1911 shooter to find a brand of magazine that functions 100% in their specific handgun and stick with those.
So I CAN see how some 1911 shooter would be going to take a course where LOTS of rounds will be expended and then say to himself...."I Need More Magazines!" and then just buy a few more from one mag-maker and then pick up a couple of Pro-Mags off Ebay and a "couple of these" from the local gun store and that 1911 might just not LIKE one brand of magazine.
INSTANT FTF every time that particular magazine is inserted.
The bottom line is that the 1911 requires a bit more dedication and common sense forethought by the owner than the GLOCK but, a properly functioning 1911 is every bit as reliable as a GLOCK.
Both are very fine reliable firearms.
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