don't get your knickers all knotted fanboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by suntzu
read the comments from new kahr owners, it really seems like it is 50/50 getting one that works well right out of the box
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don't get your knickers all knotted fanboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by suntzu
read the comments from new kahr owners, it really seems like it is 50/50 getting one that works well right out of the box
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Originally Posted by bunker
Got any facts to back this up? I seriously doubt it's 50%... just more internet misinformation flying around. Kahr's happen to be quite reliable firearms but are built to very tight specifications and do require some effort on the part of their owners, some people don't like it - others accept it and end up with the best concealed firearm on the market in my opinion. The ONLY reason you hear of problems is because that's what most people come to the Internet for, answers to their issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by apvbguy
Me, I love it when people return them as used - it allows me to purchase a sweet firearm at a great price.
Enjoy that CM9, it WILL serve you well and be a joy to shoot.
- As Thunder71 mentioned, a lot of people don't join message boards until they have an issue with something. If you went by threads just in DC, you would think that no gun made in the last year had better than a 50/50 chance of working. That includes Glock Gen4, Ruger LCP/LC9, Kimber Solo, Sig P238, etc... not to mention Taurus even working at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by apvbguy
Fanboy? OK, whatever. I was just asking for your data. Seems like you have a sampling of less than 10 folks. Good stats. I asked if you had a Kahr to base an opinion on. I am assuming the answer is no. I guess if that is how you form an opinion that is cool. Me, I at least try the firearm out, read more about it, talk to folks I know and trust that actually have one and did the break in recommendation. But hey, call me crazy, that is how I form an informed opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by apvbguy
I've owned 4 Kahr pistols, including my current PM9. Of the four, three of them (including my current one) have had issues. The other three are long gone.
It really does not matter if it is 50/50 or not - the larger point is that Kahr pistols tend to be finnicky little beasts...or at least, you are much more likely to have issues with a Kahr than with other brands such as Glock. My own experience bears that out.
The Kahr pistols do indeed have tight tolerances. You can have all the individual components be within spec, yet still have issues. This is called "stacking of tolerances." Put a low-side-of-tolerance slide together with a high-side-of-tolerance frame...uh oh. High/high and low/low are ok...high/low and low/high are not ok. Kahr has to make sure their parts are sorted and put together according to where they are within the spec variance. If they get it wrong, you get a pistol that won't work.
Other (larger) pistols have a larger margin for error, and such parts sorting is not necessary. As long as the parts are within spec, you are ok.
The only Kahr I will tolerate is the PM9, because it will (barely) fit in a pocket. I have zero tolerance for the larger Kahr pistols. If I'm going to go larger, I'm carrying a Glock.
OP - Hope you get yours sorted out.
Start a range report thread about how great your new gun is [insert brand], and you'll get responses about how other folks love them too. Start a range report thread about how you dislike a new gun because of this or that and you'll get responses about how other folks have had issues too. Just the way things are. It's my humble opinion that Kahr makes a pretty decent gun, and that their micro 9's work well, but hey, maybe something got tweaked an now they have an issue, who knows.
I guess I am the rare person who has a Khar that is 100% flawless and accurate as heck.
All little auto's have there issues.I'm sure the 50/50 comment was a little much.No reason to hang anybody.lol.Some people start negative threads about guns they don't even own.That's the parts that gets me.
Reports on the Beretta Nano are coming in... welcome to reality.
That was based on facts, not made up information. And by the way, I've handled one.
:rolleyes:
I too have one that is flawless.Quote:
Originally Posted by C hawk Glock
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N=1 (for me), mine was a problem child. I might suggest that someone design a poll to survey issues associated with Kahr's if not already done recently.
PM9 and an MK9 both flawless.Quote:
Originally Posted by longhornfan6
If you do have issues, Kahr will take care of it.
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Dare I offer a suggestion to the OP, instead of trying to figure out the exact percentage of Kahr's that are flawed out of the box?
To take down a Kahr, I may have a suggestion. I have found that the take down pin comes out much easier when the index marks are NOT lined up. I can pop that pin with the marks lined up, but its a pain in the rear. Try this... push on the exposed end of the pin with your thumb as you slowly pull back the slide (most easily accomplished by wrapping your hand behind the "beaver tail" and over the rear sights. Then just squeeze to slide the slide backwards. Make sense?) You will feel a "click" as you are pulling the slide back. (kinda makes you feel like a safe cracker :rolleyes: ) At that point, the pin will come right out with hardly any resistance. When putting it back together, again, dont line up the index marks. Pull the slide back as you look in the hole. Once everything lines up, put the pin back in. I have no idea why, but the index marks seem to make it more difficult. Took me a little bit to figure that one out.
I've said it before, i'll say it again. Having a new gun with issues out of the box straight up sucks. It's almost as frustrating as getting mayonaise on a hamburger. The good news is that Kahr customer service is excellent, and they stand behind their product. Once you work out the kinks, it's the best 9mm carry gun you could ever wish for. Like a good hunting dog...it takes a little patience, time, and frustration, but when trained, well worth it!
Dont give up on it... Good luck!
Handling is not the same as owning.I shoot one every week.And your facts where not the best.:image035:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunder71
Same here. Love my Kahrs IMO they rock! :hand10:Quote:
Originally Posted by C hawk Glock