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Originally Posted by joker1
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Originally Posted by Stubborn
^^^^^^^YEP^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm in this camp as well.
I bought a 9mm Sigma SW9ve from a guy at work for $180 with five mags.
I shoot it, ALMOST as well as my M&P9c, and it shoots way better than my Kel Tec P11.
You should be able to get a decent/good used/new and shoot {as has been said 25,000-40,000} rounds thru it.
.... The 9mm doesn't have the stopping power of bigger bore pistols.... ReallyQuote:
Originally Posted by seapuppy
I've heard good and bad things about Hi point...mostly bad. Im all for pinching pennies and buying cheap brand clothing, tooth brushes, cell phone plans... never guns, though.
Internet myths 101.
In this episode we learn 9mm is not as adequate as the big bore cartridges. Lol.
Look for a used G17 or G19. You can find them for relatively good prices and you'll get a good reliable gun instead of a POS. You can confidently thrash it or carry it and it'll last.
What sense is there in buying a gun/tool that is poorly made and will wear out sooner than a well made dependable gun/tool. If you need to buy two or more guns to last as long as one quality piece, it just doesn't make sense to me. Buy a good gun and put through it as much ammo as you can.
Frank.
Save your money on a cheap gun and just buy ammo and practice.
You will not destroy your SR9c by shooting it more often.
I thought myths 101 was about the effectiveness of .380Quote:
Originally Posted by azchevy
Get a used Glock-19...you won't be able to ruin it by just shooting thousands and thousands of rounds.
You'll wear out before the gun.:yup:
"the HP has a polymer frame while the Arcus is steel."
That should be ~ The HP has a polymer frame and a pot metal slide while the Arcus is steel.
You should be able to pick up a slightly used SIGMA for the same price as the Arcus.
Do you carry the Ruger? If so train/practice with it. You will not break it. If your having trouble with recoil seek out an instructor and spend the money on some training to help you get your fundamentals down....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahunua001
This. Or buy a second SR9c.Quote:
Originally Posted by rammerjammer
Many people including myself have found the SW9VE (as well as the SW40VE) to be 100% reliable, inexpensive, and you can generally sell one for almost what you paid for it about any day. far better than the ultra lo-end pistols and darn good accuracy. Additionally, the Sigma in 9mm can be had for just a few more dollars than the Kel-tec offerings which ain't bad at all for what you pay for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubborn
You should be able to find a SW9VE for $300.00 or less.
I don't understand your logic. Why buy a junk gun that isn't going to be reliable or durable? That's just throwing money away. Either buy a decent used gun, (plenty of police trade in's out there: 3rd Gen Smith's can be found for ~ $300 in great shape and they would last forever), or spend that money on ammo and a class. If you shoot a gun enough to wear it out you've spent far more in ammunition costs that the gun's value anyway, even if reloading.
Do you have a spare CCW? If you do happen to use your gun for SD it's going to be locked up in evidence for the duration and you'll be unarmed. Much better to have two reliable guns that you know you can count on than a low round count primary and a back up that you can't count on in a jam.
I guess my logic is that it would be nice to have a throw away gun. I have a nice little stock pile of ammo I got on the cheap but it's all more than 10 years old and much of it is micro batch reman ammo. add the day where, god forbid, I ever start experimenting with my own reloads it would be nice to have a gun that I wont mourn the loss of if i accidentally drop a double charge in. in my experience, many of the used guns I've looked at have already been used and abused to the point that I would feel safer shooting a shotgun shell out of a flare gun. I have a backup CCW, an XDM45C which is a lot less conducive to heavy practice but dead reliable if I ever should lose my SR9C to an evidence locker. the local PDs here sell their guns to an outfit 3 hours drive so by the time you factor in gas money I may as well have just stayed in town and got a brand new gun. also none of the S&Ws I've tried has had a trigger I could cope with.