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    OOOPPPPS on the word PRO

    I guess I dropped the ball by using the word PRO. What I should have said is that those 3 autos are very common in general and seem to be preferred by some of the top military and LE units. Thousand pardons!
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    Could you not make a case for "pro" referring to the bounty of high speed low drag tactical trainiers availabel now...if so, an argument could be made for the uptick of M&P usage in that arena.

    I do agree with you general assessment OP as the 1911 variation, Glock and Sig seem to sominate a lot of the LE/MIL segment for those carrying a sidearm as a way of life and in to harms way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwhite75 View Post
    Could you not make a case for "pro" referring to the bounty of high speed low drag tactical trainiers availabel now...if so, an argument could be made for the uptick of M&P usage in that arena.

    I do agree with you general assessment OP as the 1911 variation, Glock and Sig seem to sominate a lot of the LE/MIL segment for those carrying a sidearm as a way of life and in to harms way.
    Great post! I tend to agree, except with your logic the M9 should be considered.


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    I do not consider most LEO's or military as "pro's" as far as firearms are concerned for the following reason:
    For most shooting is not the primary focus of their job. Look at my avatar. Before I went SF I flew recon airplanes. That was my primary job. Every 6 months I got to shoot a .38 for qualification. Very few in either profession would say shooting in the primary job description.

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    Don't know why you included the 1911 in your group of pistols that "pros" use. Only an extremely small minority of LE agencies and military organizations utilize that platform, and almost none do as a general issue sidearm.
    The Beretta M9 is a more accurate choice as a pistol that is actually used by "pros," if that is your criteria for pistol selection.
    My agency's SWAT team used to use Kimber 1911 pistols, but they finally wised up and realized that there was no good reason to handicap themselves with low capacity and questionable reliability. They have since switched to the same Glock 22 pistols that are standard issue for all officers. Common sense trumped ego, for once.
    Having the choice to carry just about any quality platform that I wanted while off duty, and on plainclothes detail, I still came back to Glock after trying just about all of the other major platforms. Simple design, reliable, easy to maintain, lightweight, reliable, accurate, good capacity, well supported by aftermarket companies, and did I mention reliable? The fact that I came to the same common sense conclusion as over 60% of LE agencies is just coincidence.
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    Here we go again. 9mm versus 45 versus 40 versus this that and the other things. The guns the pros use and yada yada yada. Get a gun thats reliable accurate fits you hand well functions with all ammo that its fed and god forbid if the time comes. Shoot the **** outta the bad guys. Stay safe everyone.

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    A rhetorical question.

    What difference does it really make to us what the pro's use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    A rhetorical question.

    What difference does it really make to us what the pro's use?
    I have always said the same thing. That did not make me want to run out and buy a Chevy Caprice when I saw all the LEO's driving them back in the day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    What is the difference between a real pro and an aspiring wannabe?



    ^I believe the answer to that is^^^^^^^^^^^^


    A pro will be a has-been someday, while a aspiring wannabe will just be a neverwuz


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    My take is that what works for the pros may not always work for you. Certain pros have rifles or carbines as primary weapons. Almost all have radio contact and backup. Some have close air support. Others small unit support. Others partners or backup units on the area. So when choosing a defensive handgun you should take reliability into consideration but also note that what works for the pros may not work for you. So don't choose based on what the pros use. Formulate your criteria and choose for you.
    ^^^^^I would tend to be in this camp as well^^^^^^^^

    Also, it would seem old grunt may have been a bit on the bored side today, and just so happened to have that pot-stirrer thingey in his hand at the moment,,,,,
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    The gun I carry for my purposes and reasons is the only one that matters to me. What anyone else carries for their purposes and reasons is irrelevant.

    Could not of SAID IT ANY BETTER,,,, I carry what I want to carry ,,,,, you do the same ,,,,,

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    I believe that anyone who use, and depend on a firearm every day, and do it for a living would be a professional. Having said that there's always going to be varying level's of professionalism. Not to forget that quite often an amature, or interested person or enthusiast may gain a skillset with weapons beyond that of many professionals.

    In my opinion there is no such thing as a has been. Once a person gain a level of skill's, and education he's going to carry it with him forever. And there is nothing to keep him from maintaining that level of skll, and continuing his education. The individual who is spoken of as a never was has also invested in himself, equipment, and education to accomplish a skillset.
    The difference IMO is experience.

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    Professional= A person engaged or qualified in a profession. That is the definition of what a pro is.

    Being a pro with a weapons system, takes mindset and training. While we have people on the LE and military side of things that are pros, sometimes they fail to meet the term given to them. On the civilian side of the coin, we have some here that have had a critical incident, IMO it makes them as much of a pro as anyone else. You know, been there done that...

    As for the weapons being used. Give me my smith any day of the week.
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    from a sig line i saw somewhere....

    amateurs train till they get it right;
    professionals train till they can't get it wrong.
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    Since I am an admitted non-professional, should it matter to me what the pros do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by claude clay View Post
    from a sig line i saw somewhere....

    amateurs train till they get it right;
    professionals train till they get it wrong.
    Fixed it for you...

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