The perfect pocket carry pistol
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I think everyone would agree that when you ...
April 10th, 2012 07:38 AM
The perfect pocket carry pistol
After seeing recent releases of new pistols for CCW, I think the gun manufacturers are getting closer.
I think everyone would agree that when you dont have to tuck your shirt in, the options are many for
Rigs like Crossbreed allows a wide range of comfortable carry. I am happy with my M&P45C
However, there are days that i have to dress up a bit and the shirt needs tucked in.
Bunching a shirt around a rig like a crossbreed doesnt work for me.
That leaves me pocket carry
I chose a CM9. Its the best of an imperfect lot....so far.
The only problem with the kahr is the long trigger pull and reset.
If i want to shoot quickly at multiple targets, the long reset slows me down.
(double taps arent really double taps)
The choices are limited as the gun manufacturers always will try to put an extra
Bullet or two in the mag, which increases the heigth of the pistol to over 4 inches, which to me is The most limiting factor for pocket carry.
A second extended mag, like M&P or SA is offering would give the firepower needed
So..... My wish list for a pocket carry
4 inch height or less.
1 inch or less width
If a safety is required, a SA style only
A trigger that has a shorter break, and shorter reset.
A trigger that is 5.5 to 6 lbs
An extended mag available
9mm or better
The SR9C, COULD have been this perfect pocket carry, with shorter mag,
Better trigger, less safeties
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April 10th, 2012 08:02 AM
This is why the J-frame is still one of the most popular handguns in the market.
It is extremely difficult to get the same performance from a full sized handgun and one that will fit in a pocket. Trade-offs are the only way. You want a trigger set at around 5-6 lbs? The lawyers insist on a manual safety. You don't want any manual safeties? The lawyers insist on a long, heavy DA trigger. You want a high capacity 9mm but it can only be so wide or so tall. You want reduced recoil but it can't weigh more than your wallet.
The manufacturers have made great strides in this direction, but people will always look at what is on the market and think of just one more "improvement".
*WARNING - I may or may not know what I am talking about.
April 10th, 2012 09:34 AM
April 10th, 2012 09:42 AM
I agree with you completely. I just bought a PM9 for the same reason. It isn't perfect, but it's as close as I can get. Having lived with a G26 for the past two years, I wish Glock would make a single stack like the PM9.
Originally Posted by dean1818
April 10th, 2012 09:48 AM
April 10th, 2012 09:50 AM
I've pocket carried the PM9 and a J frame, both are just a little big for discrete carry (IMO) and a little heavy.
I "settled" (literally) for either the Kel-Tec P3AT or Ruger LCP 380 as my perfect pocket pistol.
9mm +P minimum. 357 Sig, 40, 10mm or 45 preferred.
April 10th, 2012 10:07 AM
try a belly band you can carry in a dress shirt and pants with out the bunching
April 10th, 2012 10:19 AM
If the PM40/CM9 or 340PD are a tad too big, I pocket the Rohrbaugh R9. Since I prefer the Colt Defender/Kimber Ultra platform, I sometimes just blouse the shirt over the grip instead of tucking with the CTAC, MTAC, or CBST.
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April 10th, 2012 10:46 AM
S&W J-Frame, Ruger LCR.... Hard to beat.
April 10th, 2012 12:02 PM
About 5 yrs ago, I had a similar issue. I had a Kahr PM9, but feel it's basically a revolver-like trigger. I have a 442, but they aren't that small. Manufacturers are getting closer, though. The problem is getting all of the features in one gun: Light weight, good trigger (At least not a heavy pull with a short reset), fitting the dimensions ("Around" 5.5"Lx4"Hx<1"W), & preferably no external safety. I think if one is willing to go to a .380, there're some choices. For 9mm, these are ones that I've considered (But haven't bought, yet):
Originally Posted by dean1818
Diamondback: Is small, light, has the lighter trigger pull, relatively short reset, & no external safety. However, it seems the "bugs" need to be worked out.
Beretta Nano: Trigger isn't real light, but not bad. The gun might be a little heavy.
For the OP, the Solo's an issue because of the external safety & the Sig P290 is heavy for pocket carry. There are the Kel-Tec 9mms, but I'm not that familiar with them & what their triggers are like. If they're like my P32, then their triggers aren't going to be what you're looking for.
Oh, & I never did find the "ideal" pocket 9. I have a Taurus PT709, but it's not small. However, it has a good trigger (It's long, but light, so I carry it w/o the safety on in a holster, of course).
Good luck on what you find.
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April 10th, 2012 12:06 PM
perfection has been around for some time in the form of the 2" revolver. Colt Cobra through the j-frames.
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April 10th, 2012 12:07 PM
For me my search ended when I got my first J frame, but when I feel the need to go with a auto, I grab my CM9; either one of these two fill my "pocket carry" need. However, here lately I've used my Smartcarry holster pretty much everyday and it'll accommodate most any small to mid sized firearm.
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April 10th, 2012 12:22 PM
I pocket carry almost every day. Depending on the size of the pocket, and the material of the pants, my options are:
I've found that judicious tailoring of the pocket allows me to carry a G26 where I otherwise thought it was not possible. Just making the pocket 1 inch deeper, and squaring off the bottom, made a huge difference. The G26 gives the OP exactly what he is looking for, with the exception of being just over an inch wide.
Assuming we are not talking about thin suit pants, consider taking a pair to the tailor, and see what you can come up with. I use a Desantis Superfly for my G26 - works pretty well.
The number of people killed because they didn't have "enough gun" is dwarfed by those who had none at all. Get a gun you will always carry, and add more capability as you grow.
April 10th, 2012 12:28 PM
It's not a pocket carry but I carry a G30SF in a Galco king Tuk IWB rig it's very comfortable. I tuck my shirt in and it doesn't print its very concealed. I also have a Bianchi IWB that's works well with the shirt tail out. I am going to be getting a Kahr CW45 so I will be looking for a holster for that soon.
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April 10th, 2012 12:48 PM
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