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May 29th, 2012 02:58 PM
This is a late response but because of the subject I wanted to pitch it.... why would you want a 30/30 rifle cartridge in a defense gun? The bullet would pass through the person you shoot and kill someone behind them. All the energy would be lost the bullet would be moving so fast and at close range in all probability never expand
May 29th, 2012 03:24 PM
My advice would be to look to the Sig Sauer P250 line of pistols. They are modular in the fact that you can get calibers from 9mm, .357 Sig, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP, as well as picking from a sub-compact, compact, and full size frame with different size grips all in the same gun, not to mention the smooth, revolver-like double action only trigger. I carry the subcompact .40 S&W and have a 9mm conversion kit for it as well, and can't say enough good things about it. Good Luck with your choice though!
May 29th, 2012 04:01 PM
Oh, absolutely! Dude, you always have options. If a .45ACP doesn't float your boat, how about a Barrett .50 cal?
Originally Posted by Edward7
May 29th, 2012 04:12 PM
In a shoulder rig.
Originally Posted by oldrwizr
May 29th, 2012 04:23 PM
May 29th, 2012 07:20 PM
Time to get to a range that rents pistols. Try several out. It'll be a tad expensive, renting numerous guns and purchasing a box of ammo for each, but it's about the only way to get hands-on experience with various combinations.
Originally Posted by Edward7
Each type of ammunition has a different characteristic "feel" to it, in terms of kick, muzzle flash, your ability to control the weapon and keep the muzzle on target, your speed of follow-up shots with that gun/ammo combination. Beyond that, you're going to need to be carrying the thing along with ammo all day long. Not everyone likes big and heavy, from a day-to-day practical standpoint of carrying the rig.
For me, the 9mm Luger round fits the bill for self-defense. In a gun with sufficient barrel length to keep the on-target impact high and heavy hitting (> 400 ft-lbs of force), I feel it's got sufficient punch to get the job done. That means a pistol > 6.5in in length (more or less), and something north of ~30oz fully loaded. For me, .40S&W kicks a bit too sharply, and .45ACP in a gun with at least 10rds results in something heavier than I'd prefer to carry on a daily basis. .357SIG is a bottle-necked cartridge with purportedly better feed reliability due to the shape, but with heavier kick. My choice: 9mm Luger, in a suitably-sized 10+ round DA/SA pistol.
As well, keep in mind that the pistol/ammo combination has a lot to do with pistol choice, too. For example, in 9mm, I can practically hit the head of a (fat) nail at 10yds with a Browning BDM, do just fine with a Glock 19, but spray 'em all around the 9- and 10-ring of the same target with a Glock 26 sub-compact. There's just something about the balance, weight and pointing of the different guns that does different things to the same round at the same distance. A lot will have to do with practice, sure, but IMO the balance, weight and pointing of a given gun in a given caliber has a lot to do with accuracy too.
My ideal primary carry gun: ~6.5in OAL, <30oz loaded, DA/SA action, 9mm cartridge, 10+ rounds, with lefty/ambi friendly nature (ie, big controls, or lefty positioning), without foibles that ruin accuracy or practicality for daily carry. As it turns out, there aren't really dozens of choices that work. I've been through a handful, and each has its pros/cons. About the best I have found: CZ P-01 9mm (a tad large); H&K P2000SK 9mm (with an ambi magazine release tab that dug into my fingers and was harder for me to manipulate); and the Glock 19 9mm (with smaller slide release tab that's hard for me to manipulate). Any of these would be exceptional choices for 9mm carry, assuming you're comfortable and accurate with one of them.
So. Where does that leave you? Can't say. You'll need to think through the ramifications of a cartridge choice and decide on what combination will meet your goals.
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May 29th, 2012 07:25 PM
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May 29th, 2012 09:07 PM
All handgun cartridges are weak, but, a properly placed shot from any of them will stop the threat. A poorly placed shot, even with the biggest handgun, may result in whoever you are trying to stop, to kill you.
As stated earlier, you need to fondle/shoot as many different guns as possible, and see what works best for YOU.
May 29th, 2012 11:49 PM
IF you haven't used handguns, get some instruction ... and safely handling one is a bit different than a long gun.
Then, with them, try out different guns... see what hits your fancy and what works the best for you (function, size, etc.).
As far as caliber, if it was the "only" gun I was going to have and was going to be limited to 10 rounds ... it would be in a .357 or a .45 cal ... period. Both have good stopping power, and I don't like the .40 cal.
Any limit on number of spare mags you can carry ??? I would carry at least a couple and practice to be able to reload quickly.
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May 30th, 2012 12:41 AM
Get thee to a class or two. Check out the NRA website and your state's dept of conservation/F&G/etc (and those of neighboring states) for classes. Shoot as many guns as you can - choose the one you're most comfortable and accurate with. As you can't shoot everything, keep in mind as the guns get smaller the felt recoil goes up.
May 30th, 2012 01:01 PM
1911 in .45
or, for big.........
Desert Eagle in 50AE.
Both are less than 10 rounds.
You'll discover that smaller guns conceal easier, and eventually, you'll end up with a small
9 mm. I love my Sig 225.
Springfield Armory EMP in 9mm? Nice.
May 30th, 2012 07:33 PM
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