Thoughts on pocket 9mm
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June 1st, 2012 12:08 AM
Thoughts on pocket 9mm
Really not trying to beat a dead horse on this, I have read many threads all over the net on the subject and may have decided what my next purchase will be. However before I pull the trigger ;) on my next purchase I would like your opinion on my decision.
So I am currently in the market for a single stack 9 that can fit in a front pocket of a pair of relaxed fit jeans or cargo pants.
I currently have several firearms and out of all of them I find I carry my P238 more then anything else simply because I can throw it in my pocket in the Desantis holster. I really enjoy the P238 as it shoots very well and feels good in my hand as well as in my pocket. However with that said I do have a few concerns with it being the only firearm I have on me (i know any gun better then no gun) and it often ends up that way.
First IMHO I feel the 380 is a little light, again I know, better than nothing but a few other issues that bother me with it. Being left handed I find it difficult to be quick with the safety on it, making carrying in condition 1 some what of an issue. I have with some practice gotten decent on racking the slide using my belt (one hand) but dont really want to have to go that route if the s**t ever hits the fan.
So with that said I have decided I need a pocket 9 :) but I am a little picky when it comes to my carry weapons. One thing that makes my decision some what hard is, I am not a fan of plastic guns. I am not totally against them, in fact I own 3 or 4 of them but for every day carry I prefer me some metal ;) and don't have a issue with a gun that is a little heavier.
I am currently thinking if picking up a Kahr MK9 (find the size of these perfect) however if I am going to dump $700 into a pocket gun I want to make sure I am not over looking anything.
Last edited by FroggyStyle; June 1st, 2012 at 12:10 AM.
June 1st, 2012 01:23 AM
I find that polymer guns do not tend to stay long in my collection as well. I ended up buying an MK9, and while I really like it, I can say it has not spent much time in my pocket. A little too heavy for me for pocket carry, though it does work in my cargo shorts. Your pockets may be more suitable. I have a P238 and 642 that ride in my pockets, and the MK9 rides on my belt (not all at the same time).
The MK9 has a great trigger, the weight makes it a pretty soft shooter, and it has been very reliable. I have had it for 6 years, and it has never failed no matter what ammo I feed it. My only complaint is the cost of the magazines.
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June 1st, 2012 02:01 AM
My experience is that many "pocket 9mm" are not that easy to pocket carry. It depends on many factors such as your build, type of pants, etc. If done, likely will need a fairly large pants pocket, something like cargo pockets in cargo shorts or pants, or something as big.
June 1st, 2012 07:23 AM
June 1st, 2012 10:55 AM
The only other all-metal 9mm "pocket guns" I can think of are:
Both are going to cost you ~$1k + when all is said and done.
You might want to wait for the Sig P938 - very similar to your P238, but I think it will have ambi safeties, which would be great for you as a lefty. It is slightly larger and heavier than the P238, as you would expect.
If you change your mind and decide to consider polymer, you have:
Kel Tec PF9
Note - I had some casual pants modified by a tailor, to deepen the pocket and square the bottom off. With a Desantis Superfly pocket holster, I can carry a Glock 26 in those pockets. The holster is key, as it is soft and contours to your thigh when you sit, so it does not feel so much like a book in your pocket. Leather pocket holsters (with an anti-print panel) do a better job of hiding the outline of the pistol, but are stiffer and less comfortable. It's all a trade-off.
Also key is a good gun belt, to deal with the weight (G26 - 26 oz loaded). By comparison, my PM9 is 20 oz loaded.
Finally - I would not discount a .380 when weight is a concern. In some clothes, I carry my LCP. I'm not concerned about the caliber.
If you want to stick to all-metal, then another option is a snubbie.
Hope this helps - good luck!
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June 1st, 2012 10:58 AM
get over the plastic and get a LC9 they are cheap, shoot well and have options for pocket carry holsters. $349 or less.
June 1st, 2012 11:08 AM
Kahr PM9 is an excellent gun.
June 1st, 2012 11:30 AM
I agree. I have a CM9 (same size as PM9) and it carries in a standard type pocket well. It is also an excellent gun.
Originally Posted by Busby
June 1st, 2012 11:31 AM
for pocket carry, polymer is your friend. Steel is not....unless you enjoy a sagging pocket.
Keltec PF-9 12oz
Kahr CM9 14oz
Diamondback DB9 11oz
you can get any of the three for well under $400.
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June 1st, 2012 01:45 PM
go to your LGS, check out the PM9 / CM9 / LC9 or any other single stack pocket 9. ask to stick it in your pocket. walk up and down the store. you will not want it in your pocket for more than a few minutes.
just imagine putting a pocket 9 in your gym shorts when you walk / jog with the dog. its far too big and heavy, even at 14-15 ounce.
i owned one and was not happy with it, so i sold it.
the max i'd put in a pocket is a 13oz j-frame or LCR (38sp, not 357 - its too heavy). but the best pocket gun is the 10oz LCP.
had a Taurus 738 TCP, its equally as pocketable as the LCP - but after continuous practice drawing from the pocket, the TCP tends to catch on your pocket - the rear of the slide is not as raked as the LCP and that is where it catches.
June 1st, 2012 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by texasKA
Actually what you can do to simulate the weight, is go to the bank and get 2 -$10 worth of quarters. Each $10 roll weighs approx. 8 ounces. 2 of them in your pocket together will simulate *approx*:
Diamondback DB9 loaded 6+1
Kahr CM9 / PM9 empty
I hope this helps. God Bless
June 1st, 2012 02:54 PM
Outa all my single stack 9mms, and I have a few, I prefer my SigP290 to any and all. Slightly heavier than the Kahr, but IMO the 5 extra ounces are worth it. All other measurements are pretty much the same as the PM9. Academy sports has um for $499 with the sig laser. Absolutely love the two that I have. Worh a look IMO.
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June 1st, 2012 02:56 PM
I carry a gun that is not polymer in my front pocket....my pocket doesn't sag.....I have found that the pocket polymer frame 9mm pistols are way to snappy for me....I like to shoot a lot so I can acclimate myself to the gun and see how reliable it is....the polymer frame guns are just not guns to run a 1000 rounds through...and I have seen the Kel Tec PF9 fail so often that I would never carry one....I've seen magazine drops, failure to feeds, slide jumping off the rails, etc.
Originally Posted by zonker1986
June 1st, 2012 03:55 PM
get a belly band and carry a regular gun
June 1st, 2012 06:26 PM
I am waiting on a Sig P938 to replace my Sig P238 that was a great pistol.
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