This is a discussion on High capacity 45? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I guess you can see HOW that happens in the way this thread progresses. Please notice that the member made specific statements and asked very ...
I guess you can see HOW that happens in the way this thread progresses.
Please notice that the member made specific statements and asked very specific questions concerning available makes and models of higher capacity handguns. They were:
> I'm looking for a good high-capacity 45.
> I really want to get as close to 15+1 as possible, I like having a lot of bullets.
> What are the best options for a 14 or 15 or more (if anyone makes that) 45 caliber pistol?
Please notice that the member did not ask for personal opinions as to if any other forum member thought 12 or 14 or 15 rounds was too many rounds.
Does anybody see that question asked in his original post?
So the thread gets off topic with one uncalled for Off Topic comment.
"If you can't get the BG with '8'...what makes you think you can get him with '12 or 13' ?
Please show member Yddnac some common courtesy and try to stay on topic to his thread.
Open up your own thread if you want to talk about how many rounds is too many...and how much capacity is too much capacity.
I think that two of the best choices in a high capacity .45 are the Glock 21 or the H&K USP 45f. The Glock holds 13+1 rounds, and the USP holds 12+1. Both are quite reliable. I have the USP 45f and it can be concealed easily under winter clothing, as it is not much larger than a Colt Commander. (I have a Commander and recently put them side by side, measuring dimensions with a ruler.)
Another way to go, if you value high capacity but want a gun that is reasonably concealable, would be a .40 caliber with double stack magazine. I personally believe that the best .40 ammo has equal stopping power to the best .45 ammo, when fired from the same barrel length. For example, if you compare two Remington products in .40 and .45 with the same bullet design you see this:
.40 caliber Remington 165 grain Golden Saber (4 inch test barrel) - 1150 fps velocity, 485 ft-lbs energy, 94% Marshall one shot stops.
.45 caliber Remington 185 grain Golden Saber (5 inch test barrel) - 1015 fps velocity, 423 ft-lbs energy, 94% Marshall one shot stops.
I don't see much difference here, especially if you used a 4 inch barrel for the .45, which would lower its numbers somewhat.
With a gun like a .40 caliber Glock 23, which is quite compact compared to the .45 caliber Glock 21 above, you would have the same 13+1 ammo capacity but a more concealable gun.
Also check out the Taurus 24/7 Pro.
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I am please as punch with my Para P-14
Besides the XD, Springfield also makes a high cap GI 1911 that holds 13 +1.
since you want a high capacity .45 and you mentioned the kimber hi-cap 1911, the only recommendation that comes to my mind is the hk usp. at 12+1 its a real decent capacity. its also based on the 1911 (very similar ergonomics, browning action, and controls) and the similarities are unmistakable. i consider the USP to be an evolved 1911. its a very nice weapon, and you get what you pay for.
STI in Georgetown, TX makes an excellent weapon. I have an older V.I.P. and it would fall short of your 15 rounds. However, they do make a number of double stack 45's that will hold 14+1 in their standard magazine. They also make an oversize magazine if you really felt the need. The only downside is that they require a second mortgage.
I had a Glock 21 with 13 + 1 capacity. It was just too big for my tastes in a concealed carry gun. I did like the pistol though and would recommend it. 100% reliable.
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What's the finish like on the XD-45 and the Hk USP .45? I'm a Glock owner and I'm wanting to "branch out" and try something different. I had an XD-40 and I couldn't keep the rust off of it. I can't decide between the XD-45 or the Hk USP .45. Does the XD-45 and/or Hk USP .45 have a finish similar to the Glock?
here You can also get the USP in stainless steel (I'm not much for the two tone look of a SS slide and polymer frame, but YMMV).