Big Problems w/ My Little XDs
This is a discussion on Big Problems w/ My Little XDs within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Same here,,,, I have 3 XD and one XDM. Never an issue. Sorry that you have. One of the reasons I chose Springfield is their ...
August 24th, 2012 01:30 PM
Same here,,,, I have 3 XD and one XDM. Never an issue. Sorry that you have. One of the reasons I chose Springfield is their outstanding customer service just in case. Good thing is I have never had to use them with a XD model. I have with one of their 1911's. They make it right. I also agree with with the comments on the XDS. Completely different gun than XD or XDM. Trust all my Springfields with my life.
August 24th, 2012 02:00 PM
ITS YOUR FAULT! ! !
Originally Posted by indykid
i got my XDs and it was a lemon
Shipped it back and it was shipped back to me and greased up like a wheelbearing !!!!!!
again a LEMON.......traded it for a Kahr which rocks!@ Springer cant even copy a glock right
Springer claimed it was ME and I dont know how to shoot their SPECIAL 45,quote unquote.....
Well,if it wont work for me and it wont work for my buddy and it wont work for my wife we dont want any.......
The MGT at Springfeild has a lot of balls telling there inside people to blame everyone but the gun
and thats LAME,im just glad to be rid of it and the whole mess....
August 24th, 2012 02:08 PM
Hate to tell you this, but Kahr and its loyal followers are much worse at blaming the owner.
What sources do you have that are saying management at Springfield is telling their people to blame everyone but the gun?
August 24th, 2012 02:36 PM
ME IM THE SOURCE....@ different ladys said it to me in 2 different times.....that means in my eyes they were trained to state it as fact...
Originally Posted by Thunder71
How are Kahr fans worse? Where is YOUR source? sound kinda grey if you ask me
I dont understand the point of your fanboyish reply,I own lots of guns and they all go bang and if they do not they are sold
and noted as JUNK,by ME.....
August 24th, 2012 02:39 PM
So I'm a fanboy and kind of grey now, awesome... I have over 1800 posts on this forum and have owend Kahr, Springfield, S&W, Walther, Ruger, Rock Island, CZ and a few other hanguns, not to mention the long guns of various brands such as Bushmaster, Remington, Ruger, CZ (must be a CZ fanboy too right?).
Enjoy your Kahr, I've had 3 of them (does that make me a Kahr fanboy too?). I hope you never have issues with it, because if you think it's bad with Springfield (who is known for exceptional customer service) you're in for a rude awakening with Kahr,. in my experience.
So because you think it was two different women, 2 different times, it's fact that management is training them to say it's user error all the time, and well, because it's now on the Internet is has to be true.
Originally Posted by sonnycrocket
Then explain how other folks have sent theirs in, had it repaired, and it now functions perfectly?
I wonder what were they told?
It's not that I don't believe you, but I also believe there's 2 sides to every story and I have a very hard time with the thought that anyone at Springfield is telling people to blame the users, and based on your responses here I have to wonder how you spoke to them.
August 24th, 2012 04:32 PM
The only XD's I've found to be steadily reliable are the 9mm's. I've had trouble with both the .40's and .45's.
James Yeager over at Tactical Response has gone on the record saying that he's noticed the same thing with XD pistols coming through his training classes. The 9mm XD's run good but the .40's and .45's have problems. I believe he's said he's yet to see a single one make it through one of his classes without a failure.
Some people make the mistake of firing 50-100 rounds through their handguns at an indoor range every few weeks or month and since it doesn't have a failure they think it's super reliable. That's not much of a test of a guns reliability, IMHO. Taking it to a fighting pistol course where you'll fire 1000 rounds through it in 2 days in a dusty, dirty hot, humid environment (or freezing depending on the time of year) is a more valid test of a pistols abilities, or so I believe.
I want extreme reliability in a carry gun. I want to know for sure *my* copy is reliable, not all guns are manufactured equally -- even when they come from the same manufacturer. I will put no less than 1000 rounds through a new pistol before wearing it out of the house as a defensive arm. If it has one failure in that 1000 rounds it won't get carried. I've never carried a XD 45 because my copy couldn't do 1000 rounds without a failure. I personally would be reluctant to trust the XDS given my past experience with sub-compacts. If a full-size handgun has the occasional reliability issue, when you chop the gun down to sub-compact size it only increases the likelihood of a failure.
I do have a XDS on order through my gun shop. I think I have about 20 people in front of me in line. But when I get my hands on one I will put it through its paces and report what I find. Until then, my comments above about the reliability of the XDS are pure speculation.
August 24th, 2012 04:38 PM
My carry requires 6 rounds fire reliably, 11 tops. 1000 rounds and a dirty gun would be a nice test, but not a requirement by any means for my personal carry choice. I'm not carrying in combat or chugging through the swamps, after all.
A gun not making it a whole day in a course really doesn't mean squat since I'll never be in that situation and I keep my guns clean.
Come on, when would you have 1000 rounds handy when carrying?
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August 24th, 2012 04:44 PM
If you carry for ideal conditions, then yes - your testing may be sufficient.
However, if you carry for the unknown your tests are lacking IMHO... I would go so far as to say it's not much of a test at all. You can't determine reliability by firing 6 trouble free rounds any more than you can determine accuracy by firing a 3 shot group.
I have no idea what situation I will find myself in should I need a firearm. If you rarely venture out of the city and go straight from the house to the car and back to the house, never stepping foot into a rain storm, muddy environment, etc. then perhaps you're good to go. I however often times find myself hundreds of miles from home, out in the weather, out in the country, and since I lack a crystal ball I really have no idea what fate will throw my way. As such I tend to plan for the worst and hope for the best.
August 24th, 2012 05:57 PM
100% functioning XDs
My XDs is sitting around 500 rds fired w/o a single issue. It is splitting duties as my EDC with my XD40. All I did was lube it and hit the range!
SA Ultra Compact SS Carry Gun
S&W 327 Night Guard 8-shot .357
SA GI High Cap Range Gun
SA XD40 All Purpose
Benelli Nova Pump 12 Ga / DPMS M4 .223
August 24th, 2012 05:57 PM
Regardless, how many rounds do you carry? I don't care if a dirty gun shoots 1000+ times, I only have 11 rounds at any given time.
If I need more I'm in over my head and/or brought the wrong gun.
I could get caught in a tornado too, but don't put armor and ground piecing spikes on my car to aid in surviving it.
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August 24th, 2012 07:43 PM
I've never had a single failure with my XD 45 compact. Granted, I've never shot 1000 through it without cleaning it, but that is an unrealistic scenario for me. When I bought it, I put 500 through on day 1 over the course of an hour to test it out and verify operation. Since then its had several hundred more put through in batches of 200-300 typically during range trips. I have no problem trusting that gun.
August 25th, 2012 12:12 AM
You're completely missing the point.
You fire 1000 rounds to see what the probability of having a failure is. If a handgun is prone to periodic failures Murphy's Law dictates it will happen at the worst possible time. No one is suggesting you will carry or fire 1000 rounds in a self defense situation, that's absurd.
It's an attempt to define a statistical average of failures.
People that rarely fire their defensive arms (6 rounds before carrying) probably don't train to clear malfunctions or even practice reloads. In essence you're carrying a firearm you have little experience with. When I do a 1000 round test on a new carry gun I'm not only assessing the reliability of the weapon but I'm also learning to use it.
You should fire at least 50 rounds of your carry ammo as a bare minimum to confirm function too.
August 25th, 2012 01:28 PM
I am a SUB....... :)
Originally Posted by MilitaryArms
for CCW it needs to be 200 rounds of trouble free service for myself as well as
what seems to be suggested by several companies......except my revolver which went into service
for me after a day at the range. The XDs would not go one mag without issue.....even after 200 rounds (wasted my money and time)
August 25th, 2012 04:31 PM
THIS! I have a feeling that many XD-S complaints are due to the operator not field stripping and cleaning the gunk out of the firing pin channel area. Yeah, it would be neat if all guns operated straight from the factory case...but sometimes one has to field strip and lube...first!
Originally Posted by gator15
August 25th, 2012 10:38 PM
Sonnycrocket, thanks for the sub.
I just picked up a XDs today. I put 100 rounds through it right out of the box. No issues. I found the gun to be surprisingly easy to shoot with a good trigger and very manageable recoil.
I have another 900 rounds to go before I do a video, but so far so good. I posted a pic and a video over on my Facebook page.
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