Do Gun Reviewers Do Good, Bad or Awful Work?

Do Gun Reviewers Do Good, Bad or Awful Work?

This is a discussion on Do Gun Reviewers Do Good, Bad or Awful Work? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Tell you what bugs me. A Beretta Nano weighs 20-ounces empty. Go ahead - put one on a scale and tell me not. I weighed ...

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    Do Gun Reviewers Do Good, Bad or Awful Work?

    Tell you what bugs me. A Beretta Nano weighs 20-ounces empty. Go ahead - put one on a scale and tell me not. I weighed three of them and they all weighed 20-ounces, button. So what?

    The Beretta website says a Nano weighs 17.67 and so do ALL the "reviewers - this one for example". Frankly, the 2.33 ounce overage isn't a deal breaker when it comes to carry but it HAS become a deal breaker when it comes to my trust in reviewers.

    Here's why - because I'd say none of 'em actually weighed a gun. And I doubt any of them actually measured one, either. If I can't trust them for honest weight at least as well as I trust my butcher, why in the world should I trust anything else they write? I have my doubts some reviewers even SHOOT the guns they discuss online. I call BS on a reviewer who cites a company specs without testing the weights and measures himself - or herself. Hello?

    You know what - it takes more than a box of ammo and a webcam to be a journalist. A bunch of lightweight internet "reviewers" who can't find the time (or the scale and calipers) to test a handgun are nothing but posers on their best day. These are supposed to be the guys who tell us when manufacturers get it wrong - not me.

    So, who do you trust?
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    Here's the problem. Some reviewers may depend on manufacturers for free samples and advertising revenue. That being the case, they are NOT going to give a bad review. The reader has to infer what the reviewer is trying to say (without actually saying it). The same thing is true in pharmacological/medical research. The researchers get BIG bucks from the Pharma so the results are always 'spun' to look good for the product. If you find an occasional unbiased reviewer whose interests are not conflicted, you have a true gem.

    Plus, the review only covers a short period of time. No one is going to wait a year to do a review and say, "oh, by the way, after you get 500 rounds thru this gun, you have to replace the RSA and it costs about $150." Or in medicine, "Oh, by the way, that Pradaxa we put you on, it turns out that in increases your relative risk of heart attacks by 25%."

    And, the plural of anecdote is not 'data." Reviews are really anecdotal evidence based on one person's sample of one gun, one time. Maybe, if you read 10 reviews that were all 'unconflicted' and they all said the same thing, you might be closer to a real useful review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBob View Post
    Here's the problem. Some reviewers may depend on manufacturers for free samples and advertising revenue. That being the case, they are NOT going to give a bad review. The reader has to infer what the reviewer is trying to say (without actually saying it). The same thing is true in pharmacological/medical research. The researchers get BIG bucks from the Pharma so the results are always 'spun' to look good for the product. If you find an occasional unbiased reviewer whose interests are not conflicted, you have a true gem.
    +1. I suspect it is true with holsters too. When was the last time you heard a bad holster review? If they find a flaw a lot of reviewers become apologists right away. Even if they get stovepipes that are not edited out

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    Most reviewers will cite the manufacturer's statistics. But, concerning the weight of a firearm, I'm only interested in what it weighs fully loaded. I don't carry an empty gun around. Maybe Beretta dropped the magazine and just weighed the gun itself in an effort to exaggerate the lightness of the weapon. Who knows? It's really a disservice to their customers though when they buy a gun and find out too late that it weighs as much as a brick.
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    To be honest, I really do not care what they say. I will do my own research to figure out what I like, and what I will buy...
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    I use it as a stating point, but after that attempt, as the OP did to validate what they say. I do not trust them whole heartedlly for the very reasons mentioned. However there are seemingly always aspects that do ring true. The rest is for you to decide.
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    I pay very little attention to professional reviews. They, for the most part, get a hand picked and tuned gun. Many work for gun rags and as such, the magazine wants to keep their sponsors happy. If they bash a companies product, they can expect to lose them as a sponsor.
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    How much is an online review worth? It's worth exactly what you paid for it.

    I don't care how much a gun weighs to be honest, nor do I care about raw measurements. Video is visual, do visual things. Show it next to a gun I already know. I get bored watching a static image of a gun while someone rattles off specs anyway. Shoot it and tell me what you think, it's an opinion I'm after. If I want specs I'll go visit the manufacturers website or go handle one at the local gun shop. What I want is to see how it works, how the reviewer says it handles, how it compares to other guns on the market, how it shoots, how it disassembles, etc.

    I know many of the big gun writers. Yes, they take T&E guns and gear. They have to unless they're millionaires and can afford to buy every single gun they review. Here's an insider secret, I've yet to meet a rich gun writer.

    Some of the bigger YouTube channels are getting T&E guns these days. There is a difference between print media and digital media. If a gun writer hates a product from a company that bought a full page spread in their magazine... that could present a revenue problem. YouTuber's don't get paid by the manufacturers and they don't sell ads (typically). YouTubers get paid for views by Google. Google places all the ads and the advertisers don't even know what channels their ads will run on, nor do they care what your opinion is about a gun you're reviewing.

    I know from personal experience that a bad review generally gets more views than a positive review. If a YouTuber is in it purely for the money, they should find something negative about everything they review.

    About those T&E guns. I personally purchase nearly all of the guns I review. Some are guns my close friends own and I shoot regularly, but very rarely do I review something that I haven't bought. I have bought guns, kept them for 3-4 months evaluating them, done a review then traded them later for something else I wanted more. I'm constantly trading and looking for a new gun as many gun owners are. If someone were to send me a T&E gun that I shot for 3 months then returned it, how is that any different than me buying the same gun, shooting it for 3 months, doing a review then trading it for something else I want?
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    The real question is when did you last read a negative gun review?

    They can't all be the best thing since sliced bread.
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    BY THE WAY military arms does great reviews and some of them are absolutely negative. The sig 556R review comes to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doodle View Post
    BY THE WAY military arms does great reviews and some of them are absolutely negative. The sig 556R review comes to mind.
    I've caught flak for my latest video, the Glock 21 Gen 4 review. While it wasn't negative, it wasn't what I would call positive. I don't see much of a point in several of the "upgrades". I call the user replaceable back straps "gimmicks" for example... which set a few hardcore Glock guys over the edge.
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    Gun writers/reviewers are just like any other occupation. There are good ones & bad ones. There are seasoned professionals and there are rookie hacks. There are humble experts and there are ego-driven chuckleheads. There are those who take a deep sense of pride in their work and those who just want to see their name in a magazine. There are serious, knowledgable shooters and there are know-nothing, mall ninja, know-it-ALLS. I can't tell you how to tell them apart. Because there are more types of readers...than there are reviewers! Personally, I try to avoid all gun reviews that include the word "zombie".
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    Each reviewer is different. Each review is different. Everyone's susceptible to having more or less bias/skew in a given piece. Errors exist, including downright bad validation/editing. Practical "street" experience matters, when considering a writer's body of work. And in the long run media that runs off advertising revenues gets influenced by those ad dollars, and that includes everything written in them and who's employed by them. No way to avoid such things.

    About the only way to minimize the risk of the effects is: to vary the sources; get as many sources as can be acquired; deliberate on what you've found, before making a decision.
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    When was the last time you read about a rifle that shoots groups bigger 1-1.5" MOA?

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    I remember an interview with a gun writer who said although they never gave a bad review, if it would have resulted in a bad review, they just wouldn't publish a review of the gun at all!

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