I would only own a Glock....
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This is his reasoning:
He has been teaching ...
August 20th, 2012 04:04 PM
I would only own a Glock....
Another opinion of the instructor from the class I took. On this one, though, I totally agree....
This is his reasoning:
He has been teaching handgun classes for 20 years (or at least the school. I am not sure he has although he was a Ranger in his previously life.) He has seen thousands of guns go through the school with probably millions of rounds of ammo go through those guns. He said that the guns that broke the least were the Glocks. He did not have a favorable opinion of Sig magazines as they tend to break quite easily when they hit the concrete floor.
So this is his opinion based on what he as seen with many many different handguns shooting anywhere from 1000-3000 rounds in a weekend.
Let me also add that he categorized guns as such.
Infancy - when a new model comes out. Unproven design. Stay away from. He classified the 4th gen Glocks in this category and will only carries 3rd gen until proven
Break in period - what he saw was that if a gun was going to break, then it probably would in the first 1000 rounds or so. Any carry gun should therefore have at least 1000 rounds through it before it is proven reliable
Old age - Somewhere between 5,000-10,000 rounds. Parts start needing to be replaced then....then you need to go through the 1000 round break in again.
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August 20th, 2012 04:22 PM
Whew! Never realized that some of my guns had reached advanced age over the last 30+ years that they've been used. Some favored handguns are considerably beyond that 5000-10,000 round count. Only recoil springs in one 1911 has been replaced on occasion as a maintenance item and a shim was added to a favorite revolver to remove some end-shake. As reliability has long been established, no break-in period at at all was considered on either handgun.
No Glocks at all were involved in this handgun aging process either.
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August 20th, 2012 04:33 PM
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
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August 20th, 2012 04:34 PM
I heard Pat Rogers (EAG Tactical) say the same thing about the 1911 - just to provide a different opinion from a highly qualified trainer who also sees gazillions of rounds go downrange.
Last class I took with him he was evaluating a .45 M&P, so it's not like he's mired in tradition.
FWIW, in my three courses with him, I never saw a 1911 go down, but I did see an H&K choke for an unknown mechanical reason, and a Glock broke something in the recoil spring assembly that made the gun nonfunctional.
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August 20th, 2012 04:44 PM
...if it were the last gun on earth.
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August 20th, 2012 04:47 PM
I love me some Glocks.....
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.
Im a big fan of the .22LR for bear defense.
Just shoot the guy next to you in the knee and run like heck.
August 20th, 2012 04:51 PM
Opinions are like (Insert) we all have one.
Don"t let stupid be your skill set....
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August 20th, 2012 04:52 PM
Did someone say Glock? I even have the model 81. Too bad they don't make a crimson trace laser for it!
Stop whining and go do something that makes a difference!
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August 20th, 2012 04:55 PM
Everyone has their personal biases, including trainers.
"To reject the notion of expertise, and to replace it with a sanctimonious insistence that every person has a right to his or her own opinion, is silly."
August 20th, 2012 04:56 PM
You have to take some of what people say with a grain, or teaspoon of salt. I love my Glock, and 1911, but there are so many good handgun designs out there that work just as well that to say that one is functionally or mechanically better able to withstand a course borderlines on absurd.
Case in point; the barrel link on the 1911 is the known weak spot, but I have had Glock trigger springs break. The CZ 75 is one of the greatest 9mm combat handguns in the world, the Sig, and HK are there too. But any of them can have an issue that is specific to design.
My opinion is that a full sized fighting pistol or revolver, has a more robust design, and its the scaled down models that will be the real problematic guns over time.
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August 20th, 2012 05:10 PM
Your instructor is full of beans and other stuff.
August 20th, 2012 05:11 PM
To each their own but no one should limit themselves to 1 maker.
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August 20th, 2012 07:22 PM
Who wants some PoPcOrN?
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August 20th, 2012 07:44 PM
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August 20th, 2012 07:55 PM
You know how caffeine really has an extremely pronounced effect on some people...and yet other folks can drink 10 or 12 cups of strong coffee a day and it will barely raise their heart rate even two beats per minute?
That is the way it is with with one chemical that is found ONLY in the polymer of GLOCK firearms.
Most shooters can own Glocks, SIGS, Colt, & S&W as well as many other assorted firearms and appreciate them all as being high quality firearms that will function admirably for the purposes of self, family, & home defense.
With some other select few GLOCK owners (like "Ranger Rick" up there in the O.P.) ~ that insidious polymeric chemical is absorbed through their skin VIA osmosis and then into the bloodstream finally ending up in the brain where it is known to mutate brain cells and cause incredibly jaded, delusional, and defective thinking.
Sadly they usually end up permanently Glocktarded and constantly babbling silly nonsense.
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