Tried out the M&P45 and the G21 today

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    Tried out the M&P45 and the G21 today

    Been looking to get one of the two... I've been a long time (4 years?) fan of M&P pistols and really like them. they fit my hand well, I like the angle, and I like the trigger...

    I have shot my fair of glocks too. I used them in the police academy and shot friend's glocks. I was always good with them, but I never thought they fit my hand well. so I never really cared for them

    Well today I had the opportunity to try them side by side...

    I have large hands. a mk23 just fits my hand. I always thought a M&P with the medium grips fit my hand well too...

    at my little range session today, I shot the G21 first. I realized that with the regular backstrap (gen 4) it fit my hand real well. I was surprised because people always said it was a large gun to hold. I was good with it. nothing worth mentioning or making me a better shooter. I shot to my capabilities... I did 5 rounds of slow fire at 7 yards and it was your regular grouping. nice and tight like it should be at that distance.

    Now I tried the MP45... wow... I was amazed that I realized holding the Glock 21 actually felt better for me. it filled inside my palm better and didn't feel like I had gaps in there. I was able to 'better' wrap my palm and fingers around the glock... I shot the MP45 and it felt like all my other M&P pistols. the recoil was similar to a .40

    going back and forth, I did some rapid firing (shoot-reacquire target-shoot) both were within expected accuracy. Within the 7 yards at rapid fire I was able to keep the groups at around 5 inches.

    going out to 25 yards, the glock hit left about 2 inches. but grouped decent... the MP45 was spot on bullseye with a slightly tigther group.

    I would load both pistols get them ready to go, shoot one, then right after pickup the next one and keep shooting.

    I felt like I was splitting hairs trying to decide which I preferred. I think my HUGE bias towards the M&P series didn't help either.

    This is how I decided... (really splitting hairs)

    Glock felt slightly lighter, it held 3 more rounds, felt like it filled my hands better, less felt recoil out of gen4 (at least for me)
    MP45 looked better, I preferred the trigger and slow fire I was more accurate with it

    considering more capacity is an important thing, less felt recoil is good for followups and pretty much on par accuracy with eachother, I decided against my beloved M&P series and chose the Glock 21...

    I'm really sad to say I didn't choose the M&P45, but in the end it's what you feel better with. I felt better with both, but the little advantages like more capacity let me split that hair and go with the glock.

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    Thats what it is about, take 2 quality firearms and shoot them, one is going to feel better and perform better for YOU .... does not matter what anyone else says, it is what you choose because you are the only one that can answer the question, which feels better.
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    Nice choice. I actually think Glock looks better
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    I recently fired some M&Ps. They are nice guns, but like you said, they are like shoes. Go with the one that fits you better.
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    Traitor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComplexKaos View Post
    Traitor!

    Lol
    I know...

    I've been dissing the glock recently, but I never did a side by side, so I felt like I needed that to at last give some good reasons... turned out it ain't so.

    I wonder if that double spring setup is what helped tame that recoil ?

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    Once again the interchangeable backstraps included with the Gen 4 Glock modifications have shown the naysayers to be wrong. "Don't change what works!" Well, apparently the earlier Glock grips didn't work for many, taht being one of the primary Glock complaints. The Gen 4s fit me much better than any earlier Gens also.

    OP, I think you'd have done well with either choice. Good shooting!
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    Taseal glad you got what you wanted. Side by side is the only way to go.

    I never could shoot the Gen 3 Model 21, the grip was just to big for me. I have not gotten a chance to shoot the Gen 4's with the interchangeable backstaps though. I have the M&P .45 and could not be happier with it. Good shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    Taseal glad you got what you wanted. Side by side is the only way to go.

    I never could shoot the Gen 3 Model 21, the grip was just to big for me. I have not gotten a chance to shoot the Gen 4's with the interchangeable backstaps though. I have the M&P .45 and could not be happier with it. Good shooting.
    yeah it's funny because the buddy I borrowed it from was telling me (I let him shoot my mk23 in return) how the mk23 had a huge grip, and he thought the G21 had a big grip lol. I showed him how perfect the mk23 fits my hand and that's probably why the wider than regular G21 grip fit my hand so well. I tried the large grip on the MP45 and it didn't really fix the problem, because all it does is give you more palm swell and more horizontal grip area. out front, it's still thin. the G21 is more blocky, but it's wider at all 4 sides. (like the H&K USP) I think taht's what made it work.

    everything else was just about the same. even though the MP45 didn't fit me so well, I was able to shoot bit more better on slow fire, but on rapid fire, it was exactly the same (maybe glock had slightly less recoil) and considering this is a duty gun that won't be concealed, and the fact that the G21 held 3 more rounds (13 vs 10) it just made sense.

    it's also interesting that the grip angle wasn't an issue. my hand/wrist/arm just naturally made the slide parralel. i'd pick the mp45 up, and i was on point when I would aim and shoot (close distance) then I'd pick up the g21 right away, and same thing again. perhaps after shooting so much, the mind knows how to point any gun.

    the trigger did feel little 'rubbery' (hard to explain, but the take up has more resistance with a decent break) compared to the MP45 which is almost more like a SA (easy take up with brisk break) but I'm not going to be doing bench shooting with a pistol. with few hundred rounds either trigger will be fine.

    I'd really like to do the same comparsion with a g17 and mp9 now and see what happens. I've shot both plenty (over thousands of rounds) but never at the same time.

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    Smart way to make a choice! You'll be very happy with the Glock but personally, I'd have fallen for the Dark Earth frame of the M&P! I wish Glock still offered it.
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    Very sensible way to make a decision.
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    You know, I thought 50 rounds (25 rounds each) would have been enough to make a decision.. I ended up shooting total of 100 rounds, and it still wasn't enough. I need like 500 rounds each to make a stout decision. but it's much better than going to a LGS and holding two pistols and then decide. at least I got little bit of trigger time...

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    I like the way you went about your decision. You made a great choice (IMO...but I'm biased!) However, I wouldn't mind owning a M&P45 to keep my Gen4 G21 company!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedomofchoice View Post
    Smart way to make a choice! You'll be very happy with the Glock but personally, I'd have fallen for the Dark Earth frame of the M&P! I wish Glock still offered it.
    got this FDE G17 about a month ago. Have not seen a G21 in this color.

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    why do glocks have to be so damn ugly? lol

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