Just remember, friends don't let friends buy Hi-Points.... 😲
This is a discussion on The Truth: Hi Point Firearms within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; HiPoint, I own the .45 and the 9 handguns... They shoot... reliably and accurately I own a PC not a MAC... it does what a ...
HiPoint, I own the .45 and the 9 handguns... They shoot... reliably and accurately
I own a PC not a MAC... it does what a mac can do for less
I own some harbor freight tools... I own some Craftsman tools... And a few Snap On tools too. they all do the jobs intended well.
I own some Ryobi Power tools... Some DeWalt, some Harbor Freight... they function fine
I own some hand forged Japanese kitchen knives, and some Ecko... all will cut meat or tomaters
I carry Victorinox, Gerber and Kershaw... they all work as they should
I Carry a CZ82 or a P64... they work well
Junk that don't work. I sell or give away...
Still have the HiPoints and all the stuff listed above...
It could be worse!
Just remember, friends don't let friends buy Hi-Points.... 😲
Additionally, you should compare the Bersa Thunder HC Series to the Hi-Point as both are full size weapons. You are comparing the Hi Point to a UC 45 which is a compact firearm.
But I really do have a difficult time believing someone who says they'd rather have a Hi Point over a much more reputable brand...I mean come on. I'm comfortable in the fact knowing I won't have to hit my Bersa with a hammer and mail it off every 5 years to maintain confidence in it. Or ever, for that matter.
I said it before, and I'll say it once more, if I were in a tight spot and needed an inexpensive (NOT cheap) gun fast, I'd look for a CZ-82. You can find them on gunbroker all day for $220. Sometimes you can get lucky and get one under $200. For that you get an extremely high quality weapon that will last for your lifetime. And probably a subsequent lifetime as well.
Yes, Hi-Point's warranty is nice but I'd rather spend $20-$40 more and get an infinitely higher quality pistol that I'll never have to worry about sending off for warranty repair in the first place. I'm speaking of the CZ especially here, but I have come to trust Bersa's quality just as highly too.
An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
Would never have them as my choice unless I am in desperate poverty.
That said, I don't choose to rely on that, but I could if I didn't have bettr...I do have a HP 9mm carbine. Reliably performs, but I don't want to take it to war, either. The handguns are poor choices for CC because few acceptable CC holsters, excessive weight and they are configured like a "Planet of the Apes" gun. But there's a place for lots of things in my world.
A wise former boss told me,
"Always buy the best you can afford, and you'll never be dissapointed".
I have heeded this advice, and more often than not, he's been right.
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I just read several threads on this site devoted to HP's. One comment I kept reading was "how much is your life worth". Frankly my life is worth way more than I could ever spend on a firearm. However, if I can defend it for $150 then I guess I have truely found a bargin. However lets look at it the way they seem to be meaning....
A HP jhp 45 costs $170, now lets say you are a typical single parent working a minimum wage job; $265 after taxes per week, Rent would take one full check, transportation (car payment/insurance/gas) another week; food/utilities etc. would be about 1 1/2 weeks, thus you have $130 left at the end of the month and you want to be able to protect yourself and family....what .45 acp firearm can you purchase for that $130? A used HP jhp 45 would run you $145 (actual price at the local pawnshop), scrimp a bit on food and you can probably come up with the $15, and purchase a .45 cal handgun, the following week tightenup the belt again and get a box of ammo....
I commend HiPoint for providing personal protection for the underpriveleged. An affordable way to deal with the dangers of living in our modern society.
i have no problem with people who think HP pistols are OK for home defense. As long as they've put enough rounds through their HP to know that it works.
My problem is with the people that can't understand that there are better pistols than a HP, and that you GET more when you spend more. HPs are clunky, heavy and completely sub par regarding size/weight/capacity.
atctimmy, yes there are better guns than a High Point, but putting more money into something does not mean you get more quality! I've seen many things in my 52 years that were cheap but outlasted and outperformed higher priced items, not just in weapons, in everything! Would I trust a $179.00 High Point to defend my life over a $700.00 Sig, damn skippy! Does Sig or anyone else offer a Transferrable Lifetime Warranty? Have you ever shot a High Point, I mean really shot, alot of rounds shot? Yes it may be big and bulky, not a concealed carry, but a true lifesaver! I never bash or compliment any item unless I've used it. I'll match my 995ts with my Marlin 30-30, Winchester 94 or M1 carbine anyday. I'll match my C9 with my Ruger P85, SR9c or LC9 anyday! I trust my life and my families with a High Point!
QKShooter, investigate before you hate! The metal in a High Point is NOT Pot Metal! The metal is called "Zamak", look it up. I've seen many a High Points over the years and I have Never seen one have metal issues! And even if it had, it has a LifeTime Warranty! Why would High Point offer a LifeTime Warranty if it was made of Pot Metal?
Not sure why people bash these guns, is it just because their cheap? I bought a new Saturn a few years back, the same year my brother bought a new Mercedes! I can honestly say, I have gotten to drive my Saturn alot more than my brother has drove his Mercedes, meaning, I have had alot LESS trouble out of my $15,000.00 car than my brother has had out of his $65,000.00 car! Price does not mean everything!
Good Luck to All, I'll keep my High Points regardless!
Sure you can get more if you spend more, but there are plenty of folks that can't really spend more; or more importantly, could put the $100 they save on the firearm towards enough practice ammo to have some basic level of familiarity. While I agree that I wouldn't carry a HP for all the reasons you mentioned, there are folks that would be better served buying a HP and a bunch of range ammo and I guarantee you that a HP that you've spent time with and know how to shoot is a much better gun than the (insert more expensive brand name here) that you haven't shot because all your cash went into the gun...
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I did, and exactly what about Zamak am I supposed to be impressed by...and why are you so impressed?
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Zamak ingotZamak (formerly trademarked as ZAMAK and also known as Zamac) is a family of alloys with a base metal of zinc and alloying elements of aluminium, magnesium, and copper. Zamak alloys are part of the zinc aluminium alloy family; they are distinguished from the other ZA alloys because of their constant 4% aluminium composition. The name zamak is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Zink (zinc), Aluminium, Magnesium and Kupfer (copper). The New Jersey Zinc Company developed zamak alloys in 1929. While zinc alloys are popularly referred to as pot metal or white metal, zamak is held to higher industrial standards.
The most common zamak alloy is zamak 3, but zamak 2, zamak 5 and zamak 7 are still commercially used. These alloys are most commonly die cast. Zamak alloys (particularly #3 and #5) are frequently used in the spin casting industry.
A large problem with early zinc die casting materials was zinc pest, owing to impurities in the alloys. Zamak avoided this by the use of 99.99% pure zinc metal, produced by New Jersey Zinc's use of a refluxer as part of the smelting process.
"Said I never had any use for one.....never said I didn't know how to use it. " Matthew Quiqley
My original question & the name attributed to this thread is: "Are Hi Point weapons acceptable for defense?". Acceptable meaning, are they reliable, are they accurate enough. In all honesty I feel the answer is yes. The poll says differently but the third choice "yes but they could use definite improvements" has gained & continues to gain ground on the 2nd option which is, "no they are not acceptable". In other words, roughly half say no & half say yes.
So the truth as I see it, based off of my own personal experiences & the opinions of those on this esteemed board is, yes Hi Point weapons are acceptable for defense.
Mods if you want you may sticky this if you do not thats ok too but it may be helpful for future folks that join the board.