Colt Mark IV 1911 9mm

Colt Mark IV 1911 9mm

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    Colt Mark IV 1911 9mm

    I have a chance to pick up a mint Colt Mark IV 1911 in 9mm for $650. From what I have been able to gather, though, it is a 9mm Steyr which is vastly different from a 9mm Luger. It is not a 9x19 round, it is actually a 9x23 chambering. That being the case, I think I'll pass on it since finding ammo for it would be very difficult. Any thoughts on this gun?
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    Good pass. Nice gun, I'm sure, but a good one to pass on.
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    You could always get a factory Colt 9mm barrel for it. I see them on line all the time for around a $100. I would buy it at that price. Plus you can put a 38 Super barrel in it.
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    I'd snag it and do what Two Guns said, you'll still be ahead money wise and have yourself a really nice Colt 9mm.
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    9x23 isn't a bad round if you're a handloader...
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    Do you know if it's a factory produced 9X23? Factory 9X23's are not very common, one sold recently for $1400 (model O1923F). If it's factory, and mint as you say, it would be worth buying at that price even if you didn't want it, it wouldn't be hard to flip for profit. If it's not factory, w/box and papers, I'd pass too, especially if your not really into 1911s and don't know what else has been done to the pistol.


    Does it look like this by chance?
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    Yes, except it has wooden Colt grips.
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    I'd have snagged that up in a heartbeat. That's a friggin steal.

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    Collectors seem to pursue these 9mm oddballs. Never heard of one going that cheap. Looks like a deal to me. Especially with an accessory 9mm Luger barrel.

    Of course if I had it I'd play with it and then the collectors would no longer be much interested in it as a used gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    Do you know if it's a factory produced 9X23? Factory 9X23's are not very common, one sold recently for $1400 (model O1923F). If it's factory, and mint as you say, it would be worth buying at that price even if you didn't want it, it wouldn't be hard to flip for profit. If it's not factory, w/box and papers, I'd pass too, especially if your not really into 1911s and don't know what else has been done to the pistol.


    Does it look like this by chance?
    The gun you have pictured here is in 9x23 Winchester, it's a completely different cartridge than the 9mm Steyr which dates back to WWI.
    From what I've read they only made 1000-1500 Gov't models in 9mm Steyr. I don't think it gives them much collector value but it would definitely be an interesting piece to own and make a shooter out of with a 9x19 or .38 Super barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WC145 View Post
    The gun you have pictured here is in 9x23 Winchester, it's a completely different cartridge than the 9mm Steyr which dates back to WWI.
    From what I've read they only made 1000-1500 Gov't models in 9mm Steyr. I don't think it gives them much collector value but it would definitely be an interesting piece to own and make a shooter out of with a 9x19 or .38 Super barrel.
    Yes sir, I know it's a 9X23, after rereading the OP, I over looked this;
    From what I have been able to gather, though, it is a 9mm Steyr which is vastly different from a 9mm Luger. It is not a 9x19 round, it is actually a 9x23 chambering.
    and mistakenly went with the 9X23 cambering and not 9MM Steyr, for that I apologize. I believe Colt was contracted to make 1,000 Series 70 MKIV's in 9mm Steyr for an Italian firearms distributor prior to 1980, but those would not look like the picture of the 9X23 Winchester (which wasn't introduced until the 1996 NRA show) that I posted. They would look more like this;





    The 9MM Steyr actually does have some collectabilty, they normally bring more money than the 9X23 Winchester.
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    Wow, after reading some of this I'm eating my words. I made my initial comment based on the ammo -- I'm keeping calibers down to a minimum and wouldn't want another one, especially an oddball, laying around. But the opp to flip this thing into enough profit to buy something else I want is appealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    Wow, after reading some of this I'm eating my words. I made my initial comment based on the ammo -- I'm keeping calibers down to a minimum and wouldn't want another one, especially an oddball, laying around. But the opp to flip this thing into enough profit to buy something else I want is appealing.
    A 9mm Steyr recently sold for $1650. Colt Govt Series 70 9mm Steyr Colt Automatic Pistol
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    "Wow, after reading some of this I'm eating my words."

    Don't feel too bad. OD always makes me eat my 1911 words but, they taste OK with a little bit of Ketchup on them.
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    You're no 1911 slouch yourownself QK, I've learned much from you.

    BUT, I still want you to make me a set of ivory stocks.
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