Kimber 1911s not working out for SWAT cops.
This is a discussion on Kimber 1911s not working out for SWAT cops. within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I've read a recent post where the LAPD is having problems with issued SIS pistols as well.
I'm no 1911 expert by far but there ...
September 13th, 2012 01:23 AM
I've read a recent post where the LAPD is having problems with issued SIS pistols as well.
I'm no 1911 expert by far but there are plenty of other brands out there for SWAT or line officers.,
DAN WESSON SPECIALIST> any MIM?
The 230 gr. Gold Dot would be an ideal load or a 5 inch 1911.
It Would be my choice (but in Double Tap mode ) for any 1911 that I'd carry.
The 230 BD is pretty wicked looking, as it's just shy of a +p rating, and should perform as well as any .45 load can on the streets.
I do hope that dept. can get some good 1911s in those holsters.
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September 13th, 2012 10:09 AM
Maybe Kimber should outsource the casting job to Ruger? They seem to have it figured out.
September 13th, 2012 10:22 AM
Exactly my thought process. BTW, I do own a couple Kimbers (one is on my Avitar, a Pro CDP but a Early CDP with melt down traetment like a used bar of soap) and a couple older Customs. Take a look at the barrels of the NEW IN BOX Kimbers, meaning the ones on the Dealers shelf. You'll see the barrels are already rusted. Geeeeeesh that burns my butt, cuz I know they're using cheap steel.
Originally Posted by Rotorblade
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September 13th, 2012 10:46 AM
. All law enforcement and military can obtain quality new and used firearms at greatly reduced prices. For example, my STI cost me only $855 NEW about 5 years ago. I don't need a kimber, as I shoot the gun and its not a showpiece. The m9 works out great for practical purposes. It's a less expensive option which had proven its worth in combat. Argue all you want, I see no reason for the taxpayer to fork out extra so a cop can have the sports car and showpiece gun without having to pay for it. Unemployment is at 8% nationally, but how many no longer qualify for benfits? The real count around here is close to 20%. Give us a break and let us catch up already...
Originally Posted by JD
September 13th, 2012 11:06 AM
Exactly, which eliminates the price point (which was still less than your STI at normal pricing) regarding the Kimber, the dept probably paid $650 to $700 (or less) for the gun, depending on what model.
Originally Posted by tricolordad
As for the cars, again....the Charger is probably the best option $$$ wise for a replacement to the NO LONGER AVAILABLE Crown Vic. The Impala comes in less, but it lacks the power that even the Crown Vic had.
September 13th, 2012 11:37 AM
I'm going to go HUG my two Colts made in the 80's! Just saying......................
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September 13th, 2012 11:39 AM
I was just about to say fundamentally the same thing, old grunt.
Was going to phrase it: "Colts work."
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September 13th, 2012 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by clarkston_cz
September 13th, 2012 02:41 PM
Whoa! Broad sweeping generalities have much better opinion-warping influences than does reality. What was once true regarding forged vs. cast is no longer quite so black & white. Today when someone switches to a casting from a previously forged part it's almost always because the casting more efficiently & effectively matches a new manufacturing process. Yes, usually that eventually means a lower price-point (well-after the VERY HIGH cost of the new manufacturing process is amortized) but very few well-managed manufacturers risk their quality reputation for ANY amount of per-part price reduction.
Originally Posted by Rotorblade
And let's not confuse the MIM process with a casting process. MIM is much more akin to the injection molding of plastics to create parts that are difficult/expensive to machine. A casting process (almost) always includes subsequent machining to create the final part. Very different animals.
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September 13th, 2012 10:55 PM
Don't see the need for any cop to be issued a heavy, low capacity taxpayer funded museum piece, either, when there are better general duty pistols on the market. But you are simply wrong about the Dodge Charger, which is not a sports car. It is an excellent choice for a patrol vehicle, and actually one of the lower cost options. If it bothers you that the cars actually look good, well, can't help you there.
Originally Posted by tricolordad
Slow is smooth.....smooth is fast.
September 14th, 2012 12:32 AM
Returns to Kimber
On a 1911 forum, a fellow claimed his friend's Kimber is not a lemon even though it went back 4 times to the factory.
September 15th, 2012 08:58 AM
I had Kimbers, my mi$take.
MIM is about saving the maker money, not better parts.
Dan Wesson Valor, Ed Brown, Les Baer = no MIM
I do not see anyone wishing their Ed Brown or Les Baer had MIM in it.
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September 15th, 2012 10:04 AM
Originally Posted by multistage
Although I will say, I most likely would have wanted my Glock back as well, and I have no affinity to Glocks whatsoever.
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September 15th, 2012 10:52 AM
Wow! All this Kimber bashing. I just bought one and so far I love it. Makes me wonder though if I just bought a high priced junker? I hope not because it was a gun I had wanted for a long time. So far I have put about 250 rounds thru it with no problems. I guess time will tell.
September 15th, 2012 11:01 AM
If you like it, enjoy it. I read all the same stuff when I bought mine. I worried about the MIM parts and all the other stuff folks bash kimber about. I decided to just shoot the thing, and it has been flawless. The only failure was a magazine failure, and that was with a CMC magazine. My stock kimber mags (which most have said are junk) have been flawless. Go out, shoot your gun, and enjoy it.
Originally Posted by revldm
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