Wow! I just bought a Super Carry Custom HD yesterday. Personally, I love the ergonomics of the rolled grip and the ambi safety. I shoot/train left and right (just a hair better with my right). On my bike, I usually carry left, so the ambi safety is perfect for me.
Can anyone tell me when, approximately, Kimber started using MIM parts? I have a chance to buy an '04 Super Match for a pretty good price. Were the '04's considered "better" than more
recently manufactured Kimbers?
Kimbers don't seen to be working out for any agencies lately.
Originally Posted by Superhouse 15
This reminds me of a recent incident with Kimber 1911's poor quality with NC Law Enforcement:
" Little more than a year after buying 150 collector-grade handguns, officials at the N.C. Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement say the $1,055 pistols were so unreliable they had to get rid of them.
ALE Director John Ledford said the Kimber pistols repeatedly suffered such problems as rounds jamming during training exercises, broken sights and the weapon's safety button sometimes falling off. He made a deal with a local firearms dealer to swap the pricey pistols for less expensive handguns without spending any additional money.
"Failure of a weapon during training is problematic enough, but if any of these types of failures occurred during a life-and-death situation the result could be loss of life to a sworn member of the division or an innocent civilian," Ledford wrote in a November memo to justify the new weapons. "During violent encounters with armed suspects, reliability and speed are paramount."
What a shame, Kimber used to make a decent pistol. Very sad.
i did a Gun Fighting Course last year and one person brought a Pair of Kimbers. Both failed in the first 200 rounds of the class. They stove piped and failed to eject with WWB ammo. OK so much for all the rest of the Glocks in the class that rocked to the final test!. Did your Gun Fighting Class have a final test? Mine did and I passed it! The guy that owned the Kimbers said he was going to buy a pair of Glocks to replace the Kimbers.
Maybe the manufacturers that risked their reputation came to the conclusion it is worthwhile in terms of the bottom line.
Originally Posted by ghost tracker
Not everyone has issues with their Kimber. The ones that don't wind up very happy, I heard. 250 rounds w/o any problems sounds like yours is good. Regarding MIM, I heard if a part is bad, it will go early in the pistol's lifespan. Don't know how many rounds in you have to go to declare the MIM part to begood. Another idea is to replace any parts most likely to go. I'd try to find out which are suspect, if any in particular.
Originally Posted by revldm
One poll on 1911forum showed 50% had an issue (may be as small as 1 jam-don't remember) within 300 rounds. That means the other 50% are probably good.
Originally Posted by Illusive Man
I read about this, too. Kimber should have had the LEO go directly to them, and Kimber should put damn good care into a batch for L.E.
Originally Posted by Coltman 77
Ok here are the issues with Kimbers and other close fitting tolerance 1911 style hand guns. Get the specs tight and the slide to rail fittings very close and then shoot nasty ammo in them that leaves powder residue and you get stoppages. There are ways to fix this and that is reload with cleaner ammo and lesser loads of powder for the reloads. More powder means more junk to clog the gun and slide rails. A lot of factory loads shoot nasty and cause issues in tight tolerance guns. Tight tolerance guns require a slide take down every 2-300 rounds and a cleaning of the rails. If not, you get stoppages with common ammo shooting thru the gun. Go take a weekend gun fighting course where you will shoot 400-600 rounds and you will need to clean your gun 2-4 times. Otherwise you will be sitting on the sidelines while the rest of us with Glocks will be shooting everything in sight!
I read an article about the Colts that the USMC purchased having issues too. I tried to find it to post but couldn't.
Is this the article you were looking for?
Originally Posted by MeanAction
Test Article Photos of MARSOC Winning Colt Rail Guns - Soldier Systems
Balderdash. The last 'serious' pistol-only course I took we ran through about 1000 rounds over 2 days. About a third of the 2 dozen attendees were shooting 1911s, mostly Colts and Springers, with the balance divided among Glocks and M&Ps with a few USPs thrown in (from the Border Patrol guys). The ONLY gun that choked over 2 days was a Glock - go figure - with a broken internal part.
Originally Posted by Blue Thunder
I simply wiped my 1911 down at the end of the day and added a drop of lube to the rails. Oh, and it was one of those lousy, MIM-packed, no-good Kimbers, a Custom CDP Pro II (see photo. BTW, the runt to my left in the photo is Pat Rogers.)
Here is a list, taken from the 1911 Forum, of Mim parts in the Kimbers. If you have a early first series gun, (1996-98 or a Clackamus Oregon gun) you're most likely ok. Other than that, (series II guns) you can bet you have the Mim parts below in your gun. I'm NOT bashing the guns, or the people who work there and build em, them as I own several of the Kimber guns (no series ll guns though) but it seems the Upper Level Managment doesn't seem to give a rip. That's my beef with em. I can take a new Kimber out of the display case at the Store, rack the slide and see rusting on the barrels, which has been ongoing ever since I can remember. Something wrong with that picture. I'm sorry if I offended anybody with my view on this.
so here it goes:
MIM parts in a Kimber,
firing pin stop
Series II external extractor
Have you only ever owned and driven one car your whole life? Probable not. Why? Cars wear out under "normal" use. LE vehicles are subject to VERY heavy abuse for what I would like to think is obvious reasons. At some point, it becomes less economically viable to keep fixing a vehicle that is falling apart or been wrecked several times and could affect the LEOs job and safety. If he needs to get somewhere and the car breaks down, that could cost innocent civilians lives? (yes :sheep:, I know.). A Chevrolet Corvette or Mazda Miata is a sports car. Dodge Chargers, Chevy Caprices(new LE only vehicle) or Impala and Ford Intercepters (based on the Taurus, since the Crown Vic aka CVPI is dead.) are purpose built OR purposely modified for the demands and duties that LEOs demand from their vehicles on a daily basis.
Originally Posted by tricolordad
The newer LE vehicles average 21MPH faster top speeds and have much quicker acceleration than the outgoing CVPI models.
so no, CVPI is NOT just as fast as the newer, more reliable, more fuel efficient and safer police cars are. Is LEO's safety of no importance? Do they not have families too?
ON TOPIC: Why would they switch to a 1911 from a Glock anyway? Wouldn't the higher capacity be of benefit to LEOs?
My Kimber has just over 21,000 rounds through it, I have replaced the firing pin stop, with Ed Brown, as to get the empty cases to fall in the same area. Also have replaced the extractor with Wilson because the MIM extractor would require resetting every few hundred rounds. I have shot 3-4 hundred rounds in a day without any failures at all. Seems to me it will shoot all the ammo I am carrying at any given time, for defense.
I love my Kimber pistols. However, I feel that when Kimber departed from their original 1911 designs and flooded the market with Type II pistols that they damaged their brand given the problems that developed. I am a proponent of "go slow to go fast" in business and in one's personal live so I believe that Kimber scaled too quickly and obviously stumbled. In fact, I still believe that they need to focus more on their magazines since I have the best performance with their pistols when I use Wilson Combat magazines.
Since I am a degreed Manufacturing Engineer I'd like to give you some additional insight. Forgings compared castings do indeed have different properties. However, powdered metallurgy (MIM) allows for small metal parts to be held at extremely tight tolerances (after being "sintered" and "fired") and keep their strength. This process has been used for many years for many different industries so this manufacturing process is quite advanced.
OK, I need some education here. How does the firing pin stop affect where the empties land?
Originally Posted by ntkb
If the fit is loose allowing the extractor to move about?
Originally Posted by gasmitty