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This is a discussion on Kimber 1911s not working out for SWAT cops. within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by JD 2: Just how does the Swartz style firing pin safety make it easier to limp wrist? Thank you for using the ...
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Well according to Nut-N-Fancy and one of his videos the Kimber is no good so that should settle the argument once and for all.
Actually Springfield Armory holds that title however Kimber is listed in the top three of SA, Kimber and Colt by volume of sales. Not saying one is better than the other it is all in what you like. SA may be at the top simply due to their prices no idea.1) Kimber owns the 1911 market, I suspect they sell more than all other brands combined.
I rely on SA pistols but I only use the upper end operator models it is simply my preference.
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I sold a TLE RL II because of the Swartz safety. Sometimes the grip safety would be depressed enough for the hammer to fall, but not enough to disengage the Swartz safety. Having a perfectly loaded gun go click wasn't comforting. Blasting casually at paper it wasn't much of a problem, but drawing under a shot timer turned out to be a different matter. It happened about a dozen times over a few shooting sessions, which made up my mind. When I bought the gun I had no idea that they incorporated that safety system in their guns, and it took me awhile to figure out what was happening and why the hammer would fall but the primer wasn't struck.
thing bad about Springfield, only that Kimber has many more 1911's in circulation.
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All my Kimbers are defective, here's the breakdown:
Kimber Pro Carry................. 700 - no failures, no mals, no breakages, no rust
Kimber Tactical Pro II..........1750 - no failures, no mals, no breakages, no rust
Kimber Tactical Pro II 9mm....850 - no failures, no mals, no breakages, no rust
kimber Super Carry Custom...650 - no failures, no mals, no breakages, no rust
kimber Super Carry Pro.........800 - no failures, no mals, no breakages, no rust
Kimber Custom TLE/RL..........800 - no failures, no mals, no breakages, no rust
Kimber Desert Warrior...........950 - no failures, no mals, no breakages, no rust
Kimber Gold Combat.............450 - no failures, no mals, no breakages, no rust
That's a total of 50 rounds shy of 7,000 rounds through 8 Kimbers.
Because of all the Kimber bashing that's gone on for years, I ask everybody I see at ranges that's shooting 1911s what brand their shooting. Most are shooting Kimbers. I ask what kind of problems they've had, they typically reply none, and "...they're the most accurate gun I've ever shot."
One guy I met had 21 Kimbers; another 15 and they aren't having problems with breakage, rust, mals, nothing.
The N.C. story must be making the rounds again, that's a really old thing. It turns out that the new police chief that came into the department likes Sigs. They supposedly traded the Kimbers on guess what? Sigs. They were later brought under investigation. As I recall they we trading guns waaaay more often than other PDs.
But, yes, Kimber has problems like every other manufacturer. As Gasmitty stated, properly manufactured MIM is not a problem. Even Wilson Combat has praised the qualities of MIM. They don't use it because they didn't want to be associated with MIM that had been done poorly and gave MIM a bad name.
If MIM was as bad as claimed, the world would be crumbling and jets would be falling from the sky. MIM is in everything - even Glocks. Glock had some extractor problems with gen 4 MIM extractors and the wailing and hand wringing over MIM went up again. Turns out it wasn't the MIM at all, but a dimensional problem with the part. The dimension was fixed and the "MIM" problem vanished even though Glock extractors are still MIM.
And you Colt owners that hold Colt in such high regard, there were all kinds of failures with the Marine Corp tests.
IIRC, Kimber sold 85,000 1911s in one year and there was no other manufacturer close to that number.
As for accuracy, I've never shot a more accurate 1911 or any other gun than a Kimber. The following were all shot the same day in the same session:
Kimber Desert Warrior - first target 15 yards off-hand:
Kimber Desert Warrior - second target 15 yards off-hand:
Kimber Desert Warrior - third target 15 yards off-hand - this one is kind of deceptive because of a tear - it's a 9/16" group ctr-ctr:
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