Sorry you've had a bad experience. I've had 4 Kahrs and each has run like a top!
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Sorry you've had a bad experience. I've had 4 Kahrs and each has run like a top!
I've had my CM9 for 3 weeks and 150 rds of 115g federal burgundy box (50 rds a week) and 14 rds of 124g +p Winchester PDX and not a single hiccup. I love this gun! Sorry your experience hasn't been as great.
I posted a review of the PM9 Kahr a few weeks ago and was all bent on getting one. I shot a range rental that was clean and my friends brand new PM9.I have 400 rounds through this model.
I had way too many feeding issues to even consider this Kahr with both guns to even consider this as a defensive weapon.
Glocks 26, Walther PPS, M&P Shield's that I've rented and tried all worked without issues for me. I just got a Shield 2 days ago.
OP - As far as ammo goes, my PM9 eats WWB bulk pack ammo without issue. My feed problems were with 147 gr Gold Dots, and with any ammo I tried with the 7-rd mag (Kahr's solution to this known issue is to swap the 7-rd mag for a 6-rd mag).
The real issue is a mental one - once a gun fails to feed, especially with FMJ ammo, you might always have that nagging doubt in the back of your mind.
Good luck to you. Hope it works out, one way or the other.
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I loved my PM9 before I hated it. I bought it because of my son's recommendation - he likes his.
I had repeated failures to feed, repeated nose diving, and magazines that would not drop. I went to kahrtalk.com and spent a bunch of time reading about how you could modify the magazines and the pistol to make it function properly.
I sent it back to the mother ship and they cut aobut 1.5 turns off the recoil spring and replaced the magazines. It seemed to operate sort of OK after that and it was easy to carry.
BUT I never trusted it. I swapped it for a Glock 36 and I've been very happy about the swap. Why not buy a gun that shoots perfectly right out of the box? I don't get the attraction of the Kahr (you have to do weight training to rack the slide), the trigger is LOOOONG, and you have to run hundreds of rounds thru it before it is supposed to wrork and it costs lots more than a Glock.
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I have a cm9 that I bought after getting deal so good from a pissed off owner. It just would not feed rounds for him. ??? I cleaned it , lubed it well and shot the next 400rounds of 124gr fmj with out a single issue then 200 rounds of 124gr +P GD ammo from geogia arms. Liked it so much I bought the cm9 and did the same thang with it. Never racked the slide anymore than needed to take apart , reassemble or rack a mag in it. Also I wouldn't clean it during the proofing . My cm also works well with a cw7 round mag and a 8 rounder that came with the cw. After 600 rounds it ready for carry. I also do that with a glock house gun too.
Also take down is as easy as most any pistol. No tools needed. I do hold the pistols upside down in the palm of my right hand and pull the slide back to the anignment marks and push the pin through. Pull the trigger and its apart. Biggest worry with the cm is launching the recoil spring into the ceiling. HA. Anyone unhappy with yours I would be glad to pay the same 225 bucks for your cm or cw that I did for my cw9.
Biggest problem with small handguns is the shooters skill level, the ammo used then followed buy any handgun issues. And I do not use winchester ammo. The fmj stuff has had to many issues. I use mainly georgia arms canned heat when cost is lower and magtech ammo for practice. Underwood ammo looks to be a great choice for GD bullets in a quality ammo line too. Underwood Ammo - Pistol Ammunition
LOOOng trigger pull, really/ Never shoot any DA revolvers ? Never use the type of trigger pull as a reason for pour skill levels. When tuneing on many larger pistols you do or may need to change or cut a recoil spring to help tune the pistol. A.K.A .1911's or most guys match shooting. Use week or light bullet weight ammo and a pistol may not cycle when recoil springs are new . Just go back to understanding smaller pistols must times. Some pistols will not cycle will with 115gr when new but run fine on them after 50 to 100 rounds too. You can also help or hurt handgun fuction by how well you control that pistol while cycling.
Larger handguns are easy to shoot. for the most part.
I have never run WWB through my Kahr... I've always run Federal American Eagle or Speer Lawman through it for practice, and 124gr Gold Dot (standard pressure). I have also never had any issues with my Kahr beyond jerking the trigger while I was getting used to that loooong pull.
One thing I noticed with my Springfield was the WWB (.40) burns really dirty. Could it be that the powder was gumming up the works on your Kahr? Try some cleaner burning ammo in it and see if there's an improvement.
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Even then, it was 400 rounds before the pistol began to work properly. Since then, it has fired reliably, except that once in a while, the slide doesn't lock back after firing the last round in the magazine.
I'm keeping the gun, but as I've said on several forums, when you pay this much for a gun, you have a right to expect it to work from the git-go.
I had similar problems with my PM9 when I first got it. I had the LGS polish the feed ramp which seemed to solve the problems. No failures since.
I forgot to mention I also allways polish a feed ramp on any pistol and a bit of polishing in the chamber when new to me. Never hurts, thats for sure.
Had a chance to put 250 more rounds through.
100 rounds Winchester 9mm 124 +p, FMJ. Again, had 3 misfeeds. They were’nt easy to clear . Had to lock slide back which is no easy task on the gun. Very tight slide and somewhat difficult to maintain a solid hold while pointing down range and on top of that push the slide stop lever up. All three misfeeds were very close to slide being full back so in order to clear the slide had to be locked back, then magazine released and a few top rounds re-seated.
50 more rounds with Federal Champion FMJ 115 grain. This time only 1 similar misfeed.
All misfeeds were open chamber and I noticed the round was stuck nose down.
Took the gun to a gunsmith and had the feed ramp polished and the inner slide lock pin filed back. This apparently comes in contact with the bullet at the beginning of a feed and may hold the nose down.
Put 100 rounds through, 50 of Federal Champion and 50 of what they had on the range- some 115 grain.
Result: Not a single malfunction with the exception of a failure to lock back after the last round in a magazine. Acceptable results based on 100 rounds, after a 450 round break-in and some minor gunsmithing.
... of course, I will need to reproduce this a few times before I have confidence in it as a CCW.
Thanks for all of your help :-)
I read A LOT and looked at many CCW's before making the choice to purchase the CM9. I looked at the Nano, LCP9, Shield, Kel-Tec, Diamondback and the XD - all comparable guns on most levels.
Finally decided on the CM9. Added a Crimsion Trace CT-437 with Pearce Grip mag extender and for "storage" a Talon IWB (In Waist Band) holster.
Read the manually, watched Kahr Arms videos posted on their site and most everyting that is available on-line, all very helpful. I also shoot a Glock 23. This is not a Glock. The gun tolerances are tight, must be to be .9" wide, it's a tight gun. Extracting the slide lock was work, very diffrent than the Glock but managable with a little pratice. Breakdown is not that difficult.
Go to Kahr or the manual to get the lube points and cleaning instructions. Cleaned and lubed and took the gun to the range yesterday and shot 200 rds. (as recommended by the manufacture) of Estate 9mm 115 GR FMJ - no miss feeds, stove pipes or miss fires.
With the CT sighted in, blew the 10x out of 2 targets at 21'.
This gun is still new to me, but no problems right out the box as others have had issues. It shoots excellent and by all accounts looks to be a very solid weapon.
As I relied on discussions to make my purchase choice, I am simply sharing this information to potentially give others insight on their purchase.
hardluk I have to agree with you. I have shot peoples handguns that claimed they were jamamatics, I had no problems even with the same ammo. My favorite, was the Glock 36, you would be surprised how many of them would shoot without a hiccup.
I have 375 rounds of many types and sizes of 9MM that I could get my hands on. Not a single problem. I settled on Gold Dot 124gr for my carry load. I'm not a big fan of +P rounds....
Wow. I had considered a Kahr before I bought my Glock 26. Glad I did not go down that road.
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